NG's Not Only Reasonable, but Kind Offer

[A1ph4 0m3ga]

3 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 

This entire act that NG puts on, this, "we rule from the high mountains of our pixelated casualties pretending not to care and spiting on the inactive alliance we've held a grudge against for years" act is just that, it is your bizarre and boring choice of role play. Except now? It just makes you look bitter and sad because you have no real ambition beyond fruitlessly trying to topple a bunch of so-called inactives at the top of the rankings. No one other than NG is impressed by the NG that it is now, it is barely recognisable from the NG that was. You (in particular) are just riding the coattails and accomplishments of those who came before you who were better, more dynamic and more interesting than this sham pretender shell that you lead now.

 

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You may be the daughter of the founders but you don't hold a candle to the prior leaders of the many of the true and objectively better Non Grata leaders that came after the formation of Poison Clan, you just ride the coattails of their legacy. The NG of today are just like CLAWS; a hastily assembled merger of individuals who bought into your narrative and you're being shielded by alliances whose legitimate grievances against their opponents you have exploited to keep one side of their coalition busy so you didn't get stomped. That's why you made sure Legion got roped into it early while avoiding RFI yourselves because you knew that by activating RFI they would've defended them (and I know how irate you and LWW got when you found this out- how dare they defend their allies!? They should've done what you wanted right? You don't take kindly to not getting your way all of the time) and they would have given you a much more challenging fight than the majority of RFI could. That's why you goaded people who were victims of Doom raids to jump in against the one front that you refused to touch because you knew what would happen if you did- and who can blame them for wanting a shot at vengeance, at least their motives have far more legitimacy than your grudge war against (as far as you and your members have outlined); an irrelevant bloated inactive alliance. It's not a bad war strategy to mitigate your overall losses but at the end of the day? You have used alliances to pursue your own agenda just as NPO have done in the past. You're no better than them.

 

You do not truly pursue peace because for starters; NG are not actually interested in peace.  You are not declining terms because you refuse to leave people on the field, it's because if people leave the field before you do then it's game over for you. What if the other alliances can get better terms for peace than a blanket white peace? OG/OBR/CRAP have a legitimate concern that Doom will continue their hostilities when this war ends; what assurances do they have of this not being the case if all they get is white peace, have you bothered to consider bringing this up? White peace benefits you the most because you can walk away scott-free but OBR/OG/CRAP deserve some concessions from Doom that they'll cease their history of aggression and hostile manouvers against them. If you actually cared about them you'd take that into consideration and actually advocate for them instead solely your own selfish interests.

 

Stop pretending that this is friends > pixels, it's simply realpolitik to pursue your own agenda while alliances each of you have openly mocked for being "terrible" in the past are willing sacrificial lambs for the CLAWS/Doom front so that you don't have to deal with RFI and Oculus simultaneously. The people fighting Doom have a just cause, you are merely pursuing a vendetta that precedes your existence on this planet

 

Nice display of hubris though, if I'm still around long enough I look forward to seeing how your exceptional diplomacy skills work out for you 

 

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may Bob have mercy on your soul.

[jerdge]

6 hours ago, Thrash said:

That seems like a rhetorical question.

Well actually it's not.

CN has been increasingly inactive for years but Pacifica used to be an outlier. NG too, and anything touched by Lyanna was performing better than most outliers.

 

4 hours ago, Stewie said:

At least in NG's defense, 1/3 of our nations are currently in peace mode.

Even considering that, the percentage of slot usage remains bad.

 

Don't get me wrong, my alliance is doing very poorly and, even more significantly, has been doing so for much, much longer, I definitely have no higher ground in this.

In our case, though, I know exactly why we're what we are, and I can make perfect sense of it.

[Caustic]

22 minutes ago, jerdge said:

Well actually it's not.

CN has been increasingly inactive for years but Pacifica used to be an outlier. NG too, and anything touched by Lyanna was performing better than most outliers.

 

Even considering that, the percentage of slot usage remains bad.

 

Don't get me wrong, my alliance is doing very poorly and, even more significantly, has been doing so for much, much longer, I definitely have no higher ground in this.

In our case, though, I know exactly why we're what we are, and I can make perfect sense of it.

 

eh, 34% in PM. 26% slot usage to those that need aid isn't terrible. It's not like we're running tech deals while at war.

[Lyanna Mormont]

5 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Nice display of hubris though, if I'm still around long enough I look forward to seeing how your exceptional diplomacy skills work out for you 

 

 

Good lord, Johnny. How many times have you said you were leaving? Is it your alliance responsibilities keeping you here?

 

Oh. 

 

[Tiberius]

10 hours ago, Lyanna Mormont said:

 

If the game is dead, quit. No one is making you play. No one is making you post here. This entire "I'm too cool for CN, everything is boring, I'm above it all" attitude is something most people grow out of at some point. Yet here you are, posting on the OWF, answering caustic, declaring wars, playing CN.

 

If you hate CN, leave. If it is such a terrible game, no one is begging you to be here. So go. 

 

But you won't because this entire act that NPO puts on, this, "we rule from the high mountains and spit on the peasants below" act is just that, it is your bizarre and boring choice of a role play. Except now? It just makes you look bitter and sad because no one is afraid of you. No one is impressed by the NPO that is now. You are just riding the coattails and accomplishments of those who came before you who were better, more dynamic and more interesting than this boring shell you are now.

That's a lot of words replying to something I didn't say. Read it again, try harder.

[Electron Sponge]

10 hours ago, Lyanna Mormont said:

But you won't because this entire act that NPO puts on, this, "we rule from the high mountains and spit on the peasants below" act is just that, it is your bizarre and boring choice of a role play.

Somewhere in a far off and beautiful land, one of Doitzel's many assistants read this to him and a single tear was shed.

 

The message still lives.

[W_A_R]

18 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 

Agree. They deserve something more than white peace imo. They have a legitimate grievance with Doom and have been subject to aggression/hostilities from them for some time, some concessions to them in that regard should be on the table.

For this we agree.  The Old Codger Alliance appreciates the shared love. 

 

Moist heated towels for all!

[Johnny Apocalypse]

1 hour ago, Lyanna Mormont said:

 

Good lord, Johnny. How many times have you said you were leaving? Is it your alliance responsibilities keeping you here?

 

Oh. 

 

Thanks for the detailed rebuttal!  Better to let your minions defend you when they're

so willing. That frees you up to deflect in your usual totally not-abrasive fashion which I'm sure only makes you even more liked right?

 

Oh and to answer your question; at least one more time than you have. Takes a while to make a spaceship out of pixellated skeletons.

 

5 hours ago, KameraadLenin said:

Hi hello, founding government member of NG here. Gov of iFOK when we merged into NG and held various NG gov positions for the next 4 years after founding ranging from mid gov to triumvir. Current MoIA

What former leaders are you talking about regarding this "true and objectively better NG," because a pretty significant portion of the people who have been running NG for the last 11 years have counselled Lyanna in some form.

You can screech all you want about ly's legitimacy but she has literally decades of NG leadership experience backing her and she has been instrumental in bringing about one of the most coherent forms NG has ever experienced.

 

Oops, touched a nerve eh? My bad.

 

So what you're saying is you're letting her ride on your coattails, while you all sit in the shadows? Well I suppose it is good to have a scapegoat if it comes to it and that's definitely more in keeping with the NG way.

 

I guess I should correct myself; the competent leaders of yesterday who wanted to take down actual targets eho were active(see: Fark In their prime) are trying to vicariously relive past

glories and grudges through the daughter of the founders. I'm not sure which is more sad. 

 

5 hours ago, White Chocolate said:

Careful.  If you continue to insult both CLAWS and Non Grata with such slander, the only issue that will hold up peace will be in which alliance dungeon you will sit, ours or Non Grata’s.  

 

There's a third option.
 

4 hours ago, TheBigBad said:

 

Do you have any idea what it takes to keep and active alliance community in these days?  NG is about as active as it gets.  Look at the state of NPO, IRON, VE etc.  So go peddle that, you cannot hold a candle to others crap, some place where people do not know any better.  You have been around long enough to know you are just blowing smoke and I know you know better. That girl has worked miracles.  

 

You're right I have been around long enough. Long enough to know the postal

spasms from you all mean I hit the nail on the head.

 

Been around yourself long enough too, we've both seen far more impressive miracles. Your alliance tabled the turns dramatically against TOP out of nowhere during The Bipolar War; The Coalition of Cowards were collectively shamed by the public into burning for NPO; we once had a political dynamic with more than 2 spheres of influence at the same time. A miracle

worker she ain't; just someone in the right place at the right time with a disenfranchised group of leaders looking for a cause to burn for.

You'll find out.

 

[Johnny Apocalypse]

3 minutes ago, W_A_R said:

For this we agree.  The Old Codger Alliance appreciates the shared love. 

 

Moist heated towels for all!

I've been craving one of these for days, many thanks to you.

[Electron Sponge]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Been around yourself long enough too, we've both seen far more impressive miracles. Your alliance tabled the turns dramatically against TOP out of nowhere during The Bipolar War; The Coalition of Cowards were collectively shamed by the public into burning for NPO; we once had a political dynamic with more than 2 spheres of influence at the same time. A miracle

worker she ain't; just someone in the right place at the right time with a disenfranchised group of leaders looking for a cause to burn for.

You'll find out.

 

 

I have been there and back again, and worked a few miracles of my own. What Lyanna has managed to engineer in NG is no small thing, especially in the face of this sort of to-cool-for-school sneering rejoinder which seems to me to be just as trite now as it was in this mythical time you hold up as something to admire. I find her to be earnest and authentic, which is much more than I can say for so many others who I have come across.

 

I think you are being needlessly cynical about these "disenfranchised" leaders and their cause. They are not powerless, they are exercising their power in a joint fashion currently. They are not stupid, everyone entered this war knowing why they were doing so. No one fooled them. We have put Lyanna forward as one of our representatives for the very same reason that those on the other side might dislike her intensely: she is good at what she does. People like that are rare in this game, most of you can't even manage to cobble together a decent post.

 

Also since you mentioned TOP:

 

I have a lot of grave dancing to catch up on

[Johnny Apocalypse]

1 hour ago, Electron Sponge said:

 

I have been there and back again, and worked a few miracles of my own. What Lyanna has managed to engineer in NG is no small thing, especially in the face of this sort of to-cool-for-school sneering rejoinder which seems to me to be just as trite now as it was in this mythical time you hold up as something to admire. I find her to be earnest and authentic, which is much more than I can say for so many others who I have come across.

 

I think you are being needlessly cynical about these "disenfranchised" leaders and their cause. They are not powerless, they are exercising their power in a joint fashion currently. They are not stupid, everyone entered this war knowing why they were doing so. No one fooled them. We have put Lyanna forward as one of our representatives for the very same reason that those on the other side might dislike her intensely: she is good at what she does. People like that are rare in this game, most of you can't even manage to cobble together a decent post.

 

Also since you mentioned TOP:

 

I have a lot of grave dancing to catch up on

 

That you have, which is why it's nice to see your face around here again because the world is pretty devoid of talent. I won't deny that Lyanna has indeed accomplished a fair bit in NG with the help of her council and as you do now; I once found her to be earnest and authentic when we worked together before she became a full-member of NG. Though as I'm sure you well know, being earnest isn't always the most pragmatic course of action, sometimes you need to adorn a cloak and wield a dagger for a more cut-throat approach to get what you want. It's less a too-cool-for-school sneer on my part but an attempt to present a counter-narrative that your opponents have thus far failed to articulate in a coherent fashion beyond gutteral braying, with the added personal bonus for myself of grinding an axe in the process.

 

Perhaps disenfranchised was the wrong word, many of the alliances in your coalition lacked the means to stand up to their aggressors for years on their own. Many of the people in your coalition cowered in fear at the repercussions of doing anything to defend them despite having the means to do so because heaven forbid they lose pixels or took a risk. I've spent most of my time since coming back in 2019 fighting against CLAWS/Doomsphere (as for your remark about coherent posting, that happened to be one of the weapons in my arsenal- my work could not hold a candle to the standards and quality of Doitzel/Schattenmann but it was from their work that I drew inspiration to use the written word to win a war.) and it is why I have entered the fray against CLAWS once again for OBR/OG. I may have been a brazen raider with my previous alliance but I always made sure to punch up and not down, unlike Doom.

 

It's been a long time coming that people with the military power have actually made a move in that regard so it is genuinely refreshing to see at least something being done. Here's hoping you actually do get the job done properly, but as for Pacifica and Oculus? I couldn't care less about their fate, as many of you have pointed out; they're a mostly inactive husk of what they once were. It seems a futile endeavour to waste resources taking potshots at the jaded inhabitants of Planet Bob's 'Laputa'.

[Bionic redhead]

9 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 

Make me.

 

How's your warchest?

[firingline]

Oh my god would somebody please put a character limit on JA's account?

 

I assure you JA, in everything you do, you're certainly punching up not down.

Edited December 3, 2022 by firingline

[Johnny Apocalypse]

1 hour ago, Bionic redhead said:

 

How's your warchest?

Nicely depleted, thanks for that last push. As I understand it though; the state of my warchest determines how much and how long I can wage war with bombs. Posts cost nothing.

 

12 minutes ago, firingline said:

Oh my god would somebody please put a character limit on JA's account?

 

I assure you JA, in everything you do, you're certainly punching up not down.

Alternatively we could get you some Adderall?

[Bionic redhead]

44 minutes ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Nicely depleted, thanks for that last push. As I understand it though; the state of my warchest determines how much and how long I can wage war with bombs. Posts cost nothing.

 

True, but your posts are singularly ineffective.

[KameraadLenin]

I see we've reached that point in any NG thread that runs too long where johnny maulds

[kerschbs]

3 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 

That you have, which is why it's nice to see your face around here again because the world is pretty devoid of talent. I won't deny that Lyanna has indeed accomplished a fair bit in NG with the help of her council and as you do now; I once found her to be earnest and authentic when we worked together before she became a full-member of NG. Though as I'm sure you well know, being earnest isn't always the most pragmatic course of action, sometimes you need to adorn a cloak and wield a dagger for a more cut-throat approach to get what you want. It's less a too-cool-for-school sneer on my part but an attempt to present a counter-narrative that your opponents have thus far failed to articulate in a coherent fashion beyond gutteral braying, with the added personal bonus for myself of grinding an axe in the process.

 

You come off like Abe Simpson yelling at clouds JA, it’s shocking how you can type so many words and yet be so completely wrong with so many of your assertions. I’m not even sure where to begin.

 

The RFD coalition has been the most unified and enjoyable one I’ve participated in during my 15 year tenure on Bob. When CLAWS and NATO started the peace talk process there was a simple decision on our end, white peace would be the goal and we weren’t leaving any participant behind. We knew the enemy coalition would start with demands that OBR/OG/CRAP be left behind to be raided by Dooms upper tier, and that Oculus would want free reign to pound on Polar because their feelings were hurt by Sponge. Low and behold that’s exactly the response we received, the enemy wants the war treated as three separate fronts to be negotiated independently. Non Grata’s response is this thread and our DOW on members of Doom. Now if NG and Lyanna were so duplicitous why would she have been elected as one of the two representatives to speak for our coalition? We have one common goal and we’ve stated it publicly for the world to see. 
 

To address some other parts of your meandering posts across the last two pages: you calling Non Grata bitter is a hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black. You’re a bitter old man whose hubris and ego got your alliance destroyed and your friends scattered across the globe. While Non Grata has thrived you’ve been reduced to wallowing in the sorrow that you couldn’t handle a teenage girl challenging you in power and ability during your leadership in Cobra and your entire world crumbling as a result. You talk about riding coattails? You can’t hold a candle to GK.
 

You assume we’re not working with OBR/OG (and the rest of our coalition) daily as part of the war and peace process, to speak to Arminius who we talk to every single day or Chuck Norris who we have lines of communication with to make sure they are involved and valued. We will NOT leave any member of this coalition on the battlefield, and we’re happy to continue burning pixels to do so.
 

Now to address your claim that Lyanna is riding on former NG gov coattails, are you out of your goddamn mind? I’ve never seen someone who works harder and devotes more time to the success of an alliance. This is quite frankly the dumbest thing you’ve posted yet, and you post more asinine things than any combination of posters on the owf I can think of (and that includes Stonewall for Christmas sake.)

 

I really shouldn’t have wasted the time to reply to your absurdity, but I refuse to let your slander be unchallenged. There’s an old expression about arguing with a pig in !@#$, that’s you, you’re the pig. So I wallow through this field of excrement that you happily roll in.

 

Now go back to whatever hole you popped your head out of. You’re a tragic disgrace, a bag of wind with few friends and a shocking delusion of grandeur. 

[Lyanna Mormont]

7 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

Thanks for the detailed rebuttal!  

 

 

[weebl2000]

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[Cydonian Knight]

43 minutes ago, weebl2000 said:

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Come at me!

Oi! Who gave you authorization to post MY warchest in here?

[Wobblies]

21 hours ago, Lyanna Mormont said:

If you hate CN, leave. If it is such a terrible game, no one is begging you to be here. So go. 

 

 

Some of us enjoy watching a slow-motion train wreck running into a dumpster fire.

[TheBigBad]

8 hours ago, Johnny Apocalypse said:

 

That you have, which is why it's nice to see your face around here again because the world is pretty devoid of talent. I won't deny that Lyanna has indeed accomplished a fair bit in NG with the help of her council and as you do now; I once found her to be earnest and authentic when we worked together before she became a full-member of NG. Though as I'm sure you well know, being earnest isn't always the most pragmatic course of action, sometimes you need to adorn a cloak and wield a dagger for a more cut-throat approach to get what you want. It's less a too-cool-for-school sneer on my part but an attempt to present a counter-narrative that your opponents have thus far failed to articulate in a coherent fashion beyond gutteral braying, with the added personal bonus for myself of grinding an axe in the process.

 

Perhaps disenfranchised was the wrong word, many of the alliances in your coalition lacked the means to stand up to their aggressors for years on their own. Many of the people in your coalition cowered in fear at the repercussions of doing anything to defend them despite having the means to do so because heaven forbid they lose pixels or took a risk. I've spent most of my time since coming back in 2019 fighting against CLAWS/Doomsphere (as for your remark about coherent posting, that happened to be one of the weapons in my arsenal- my work could not hold a candle to the standards and quality of Doitzel/Schattenmann but it was from their work that I drew inspiration to use the written word to win a war.) and it is why I have entered the fray against CLAWS once again for OBR/OG. I may have been a brazen raider with my previous alliance but I always made sure to punch up and not down, unlike Doom.

 

It's been a long time coming that people with the military power have actually made a move in that regard so it is genuinely refreshing to see at least something being done. Here's hoping you actually do get the job done properly, but as for Pacifica and Oculus? I couldn't care less about their fate, as many of you have pointed out; they're a mostly inactive husk of what they once were. It seems a futile endeavour to waste resources taking potshots at the jaded inhabitants of Planet Bob's 'Laputa'.

 

 And I thought I had a big ego and tended to ramble on about nonsense.   What I see here seems to be somebody who is little jealous of certain alliance/coalition leader who has become when he always dreamed of.  

Edited December 3, 2022 by TheBigBad

[Le Trout]

all of you are  beautiful

[CrinkledStraw]

17 hours ago, firingline said:

 

Even the tl;dr wouldn't be worth reading.

 

The truest thing said in this thread. 

 

I'm glad JA still has these forums to make himself believe he's important. 

[Master Hakai]

1 hour ago, CrinkledStraw said:

 

The truest thing said in this thread. 

 

I'm glad JA still has these forums to make himself believe he's important. 

That’s what everybody is usin it for