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  2. My assessment of your alliance isn't based on some Freudian defense mechanism. Far from it. This is a clear case of pluralistic ignorance. But keep believing your associates when they tell you those are some mighty fine threads you've procured from NPO
  3. I don't feel antagonized. It was NPO being attacked not FTW. Not that I think they 'feel' antagonized either. However the attempts to antagonize are still ill-advised, I think, if NG wants peace. Maybe NPO will give peace anyway but I don't see much reason for them to. Being diplomatic and humble is your best play and without demanding any conditions be met first. This is friendly advice, take it or leave it, I don't care. I am happy either way. You're right if FTW had peaced when we changed our flag NPO would've stayed in. NPO has their own grievances with NG. I am aware NPO is your big problem, never said otherwise. You project a lot of ego onto me. You act as if I think and say FTW is the greatest when I do not. Bitter indeed, from your end. Ego. Projecting Ego. K. I don't care. You are again projecting ego.
  4. Poaching was never a valid CB and never will be.
  5. We have re-built our colony! The country has flourished and with the abundance brought forth by our many skilled workers we have greatly improved upon our infrastructure! A great day for Dragonisia!
  6. Yesterday
  7. I have a few questions. The following questions will be based on the assumption that NG's eradication is not a sine qua non for peace.: 1. Is the disbandment of NG the official endstate of this war? If not, what is the end state and is it possible for NG to demonstrate it in empirical ways beyond "change" and "growth?" 2. Considering NG thought that their attempts to negotiate a surrender were thrown out of hand and the tone of the DoW treating them as rogues, I'm not sure any sort of behavioral change in the sense of being nice to you can be expected--they'll never not despise you, would keeping off OWF and mocking people be a step towards growth? But what other behaviors do you desire changed? Presumably they won't attempt the behavior elucidated in the following question in order to avoid another coalition war in the future, so this seems like a situation that would be resolved by a negotiation where they acknowledge this and promise to refrain from doing it again. 3. One of the casus belli was poaching of alliance members* and other issues were Caustic's attempts to get funding, I understand as well. What evidence can NG give besides an acknowledgement of this and a promise not to do so in the future that would be sufficient for a start in peace negotiations? Now my other questions. As far as I recall, the DoW stated that they were to be treated as rogues and never said anything about what would be sufficient supplication for peace talks, other than the implied removal of Caustic from leadership and disbandment of NG. 1. Thus, if the elimination of NG is the ultimate goal, does this apply to its players as well? 2. If not, how can any alliances be sure that if they take in members from NG they will not eventually be a target due to fears of these new members' agitation? *OOC: I'd like to just say, I don't find this a particularly compelling casus belli, considering this is a game people are playing with free association and what not, if people are so easily swayed away from an alliance, maybe it isn't a good fit and their departure is better for keeping them interested in the game. But that's just my own opinion.
  8. What should it matter what we say on the OWF? Who's reading it? Sure, we are, and that's why you see lots of posts from us. But that's because we contribute the community, while the rest of you would rather just sit around doing nothing. We're still interested in seeing this [ooc] game [/ooc] survive. And you know damn well we ain't suing for peace with FtW. You'll just follow suit if and when peace happens with Oc. If you want to stay at war if Oc peaces out, I'm sure we can arrange that.
  9. If you feel antagonized, it may have more to do with the lack of respect we have for you- and for once, this isn't me trolling. Several members of prominent alliances have echoed our grievances with FtW, which are much more legitimate than you'd care to believe. If you refuse to see change that's only because you're forcing yourself to consider our war with you separate to the NPO assault, when we both know they are one and the same, at least as far as your safety is concerned. Should NPO withdraw, FtW would follow suit. Not, I think, the other way around. Our attitude towards Oc has definitely changed but the change is ongoing given that we are, after all, engaged in a long bitter war against them. Your flag edit was an opening with which to proceed and begin a mutual descent of aggressions while still keeping our dignity and culture (which is very much a troll culture), but you prefer a groveling surrender, and that I'm afraid, is out of the question for you and you alone. Perhaps given enough time, Oculus can achieve this (possibly even earn it) and you may then piggy back off their success as usual, but don't expect us to demonstrate deference to you specifically, when there is none there to give.
  10. I mean that's kinda the point. NG is continuing on as it always has. That and it's just not a good idea in general when suing for peace to continue to antagonize. 🤣
  11. Everyone who has participated in the watering down of our game (because despite Admin's generosity, it's still ours) should feel bad about themselves as Jerdge has already mentioned, and with good reason. Must be exhausting to keep up with it all and I've been advocating against it since I first came here, fighting against it even. But Jerdge is also right in stating it doesn't exactly have one unique source of origin. Sure, I can sit here and point at CLAWS/Doom and aNiMaLz/FtW, or NPO in general, but why point that far? I know there are/were cases nearer home than I'd care to admit, even though I've always been against it myself. Rogue > Multi This thread is doing what it was meant to do, regardless of whether or not Joe Black feels intellectually challenged.. And that is- to generate discourse
  12. Stewie, My comment was not supposed to be an insult. I know there are many great intellectual conversations, they just don't exist on the world stage, the way they use to. Sincerely, Joseph M. Black
  13. To be fair we were discussing nuclear fission and fusion in NG's private channel the other month. There are plenty of intellectuals on Bob
  14. Jerdge, I respect you a great deal, but I disagree. The decay of social decorum is one major factor in the overall quality of life. Short any proof of wrong doing here there isn't anything to be done, except talk the issue to death with no results. And I wouldn't normally object to the endless cycle of talking, but since this takes place on other realms, it can only lead to further decay. Sincerely, Joseph M. Black P.S. God, how I miss the intellectuals debate subforum on the old forum.
  15. They're not otherworldly issues only. Directly they may have no bearing with NG, with your conflict, with this thread and with this forum, but they have bearing in this world. They shape it. Canik is formally connect, the issue should be discussed elsewhere. However similar issues have been downplayed or outright ignored too many times, when discussed where supposedly they should have, and here we are. At this point it's absurd to expect that people fill in the correct form and wait for a reaction. Talking of the issue if, when and where it surfaces is the only thing that makes sense, assuming that anything here makes sense anymore.
  16. You must be new here. NG have always been antagonistic on the OWF. And until I sit in a room with everyone and we actually start discussing peace you are talking out your ass Canik
  17. I actually agree with Canik. It appears that at least some in NPO, FTW, and NG are circling a real discussion. For that, I am thankful. Being antagonistic at this point really isn't helpful in getting a meaningful dialog to move forward. There will always be time for trash-talk and trolling in the OWF, etc. But, right now, I would offer that a cooler approach would be most beneficial to all. I speak only for me and not for Non Grata in general, but, I support and respect the dialog and approach sketched out in the Discord chat between Stewie and Joe Black. Thank you both.
  18. Being antagonistic in and of itself is not so bad but your alliance is trying to sue for peace and claiming it can turn over a new leaf. Your posts are counter-productive to NG's supposed goal of peace. But, please, continue on.
  19. Thrash, I too mirror this sentiment. Sincerely, Joseph M. Black
  20. Why not both? Not like you've been antagonizing us this whole time either, right? I'm getting the vibe that it seems to be only okay when you do it. Also by all means go ahead and defend anything NPO does. FTW needs all the help it can get!
  21. Why other world issues are having bearing in this world is beyond me. Either through out-right intentions or hidden ones.
  22. You are not seeking facts, you are mudslinging. Stewie simply linked to other world issues there was no fact-seeking. There was no fact-seeking in your post, only accusation and insult. Caustic's post was the closest to "fact-seeking" because he put a question mark but ending it with "Good to know." it was really more of an accusation. Also this is not an appropriate avenue for fact-seeking. If you have suspicions or complaints you should report them here: https://forums.cybernations.net/forum/19-moderation/ As for Kaznawim. He absolutely was not involved. His ban was unrelated and quickly overturned. Not that we are supposed to discuss Moderation issues here but since YOU brought it up, I think it's fair I get to respond. What you are doing here is being antagonistic.
  23. Last week
  24. What was that about your little friend Kaznawim getting involved with this too? Oh no, how dare we seek facts! Truly revolting of us.
  25. The above do not represent NG. NG definitely really has changed and does not intend to continue it's rogue and trolling ways. This message brought to you by What Stewie Would Have You Believe SuperPAC
  26. So you emulated the multi tech, just with human bots paid for via distribution of illegal copyrighted material? Good to know. 🙄
  27. Times sure must have changed with everything that's happened since then. Go home, toy Roman soldier.
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