Ch33kY Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) What do you people think of the silent treaty cancellations that have been occuring over the past few weeks? Do you think treaty cancellations should be made public, so the whole world knows and people can troll or offer tokenistic 'sad but necessary' or 'but we're still friends' comments; or should they be made secretly, behind closed doors, to hide certain alliances from shame and ridicule for being on the 'wrong side' of a war? Urgh...typo in the title and subtitle. . Edited January 17, 2012 by Ch33kY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 What cancellations? I'm unaware of any of this since it has not been announced. In fact, I do not believe you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I like public announcements, but it's each individual alliance's right to do it how they choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) It's kind of pathetic but I don't really care. They shouldn't get upset though if people assume they are failing to honor their obligations (which they are either way I guess). Edited January 17, 2012 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelios Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1326808821' post='2901501'] I like public announcements, but it's each individual alliance's right to do it how they choose. [/quote] This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I don't see any harm in posting them, it generates activity on the OWF and leads to a more inclusive feel. Sometimes the dialogue in a cancellation thread is as interesting as the event itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Wiki changing should be enough. Unfortunately, not every Wiki is well maintained, so the confusion involved with doing that possibly necessitates an OWF posting. I don't think it's so much about shame as it is about clutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Everyone should just post them. If you can't take the heat, you are too thin skinned for government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's a perfectly valid (if unnecessary) tactic in FA to not announce treaty upgrades/downgrades/cancellations. But when it becomes the norm, it sabotages the OWF and makes casual observers of Planet Bob politics have to work ever more harder to keep up with it, further damping interest in the game. As an aside, wasn't it also "hip" several months ago to not updates wikis? "If you come to our web site, you'll see our treaties..." isn't going to make it people. Not when there are dozens of alliances to track. Figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmatian Empire Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1326808821' post='2901501'] I like public announcements, but it's each individual alliance's right to do it how they choose. [/quote] ^this. Although I wish someone else posted, Wu is ebil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 People need to post cancellations. It adds more intrigue to the political scene, and as Janax mentioned, if you are worried about getting flamed for your treaties you are doing it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) When I'm in the alliance who might get ripped on in the thread, I'm in favor of not posting the cancellation. When I'm anybody else, I want to have fun ripping on the posting alliance in the cancellation thread. This is why I bet 90% of the posts here will be anti-silent cancellations even though they happen all the time. Edited January 17, 2012 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If someone just posted the cancellations in this thread, this issue would go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I demand the entire treaty web embarrass itself in public for my pleasure at every breakup it has with an old girlfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 People can do or not do what they want as far as treaties go, imo. They are between the alliances involved only and not between the alliances signing the treaties and the rest of Planet Bob, as some people seem to want to argue. On the other hand, there is a risk involved by not announcing. 1. If there is any question of a group following or not following a treaty and and there is not an announcement with a link to a copy of the document, it basically becomes one alliances word against the other which is very messy and likely to make both look bad. 2. An alliance can't exactly be held accountable for relying only on what's been posted in public and acting accordingly. Even with treaty cancellations, there is a danger here, if an alliance decides that it would be a good idea to just attack an enemy AND include their allies in the attack. If you don't announce a cancellation somewhere, something like that could happen. Thus, even with all of the usual comments after a cancellation is announced which may be annoying, it still may be worth the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It doesn't bother me. In fact it's a interesting idea, which could cause some very stupid actions to be taken. Therefore increasing the chance of frequent wars, therefore making it fun for all of us. Unfortunately the majority of Alliances know what's going on regardless of what's said on the OWF. In summary, while it doesn't bother. I can see how it would bother some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Personally I just feel that there isn't any need to throw dirt on the wounds of an alliance by posting it. If you want the split to be somewhat amicable, there's no reason to make people suffer through a thread of "no hard feelings but..." or "good job xx on getting rid of yy" or "they did you a favor yy". Plus, the Alliance Announcements forum is far too busy hearing about the day to day affairs of the 4th incarnation of TGE, ARES passing the 1 million NS barrier for the 7th time, or whatever new alliance has decided to post 4 threads in its first two days, for anyone to bother with something like a treaty cancellation or downgrade that can be easily communicated to relevant parties through much more personal means. There are myriad problems with the state of the Alliance Announcements forum. People not posting cancellations/downgrades is a symptom, not the problem. Attack the problem, nullify the symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1326818639' post='2901546'] Personally I just feel that there isn't any need to throw dirt on the wounds of an alliance by posting it. If you want the split to be somewhat amicable, there's no reason to make people suffer through a thread of "no hard feelings but..." or "good job xx on getting rid of yy" or "they did you a favor yy". [/quote] I disagree. There is a great need to throw dirt on other alliances wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='janax' timestamp='1326810999' post='2901513'] Everyone should just post them. If you can't take the heat, you are too thin skinned for government. [/quote] I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Why would anyone post their treaty cancelation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you decide to make a FA move then you should have the balls to stand behind it. Post'em or others will. :science: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1326809367' post='2901503'] It's kind of pathetic but I don't really care. They shouldn't get upset though if people assume they are failing to honor their obligations (which they are either way I guess). [/quote] That's my biggest issue. I love these dumbasses that don't announce it, then someone says something about the treaty, and they turn around and go "[i]duuuuhhhhh [/i]it's cancelled." I mean if everyone wants everyone spying on each other, fine, there are plenty of us who know how to get the information we want, but it's just a patently stupid way to handle one's affairs. [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1326822797' post='2901566'] Post'em or others will. :science: [/quote] I'll hold you to that. [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1326818639' post='2901546'] Personally I just feel that there isn't any need to throw dirt on the wounds of an alliance by posting it. If you want the split to be somewhat amicable, there's no reason to make people suffer through a thread of "no hard feelings but..." or "good job xx on getting rid of yy" or "they did you a favor yy". Plus, the Alliance Announcements forum is far too busy hearing about the day to day affairs of the 4th incarnation of TGE, ARES passing the 1 million NS barrier for the 7th time, or whatever new alliance has decided to post 4 threads in its first two days, for anyone to bother with something like a treaty cancellation or downgrade that can be easily communicated to relevant parties through much more personal means. There are myriad problems with the state of the Alliance Announcements forum. People not posting cancellations/downgrades is a symptom, not the problem. Attack the problem, nullify the symptoms. [/quote] This post is so weird that I'm not sure if you were being serious. Either way, I'm really sick and tired of hearing from people about how awful the OWF is, especially since all of the people that toe this line are from the alliances which are dominating the game's culture. If people don't like CyberNations, quit. You think the speculation and ignorance is bad now? Give it 6 months of no one knowing for sure which treaties are or are not still in force. How stupid. Edited January 17, 2012 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) You know, if any of you don't like this, you can always take it on yourselves to announce whenever you hear a treaty is cancelled as a news story in world affairs. It's not that hard to find it out eventually. You will undo the work of whoever wants to "hide" from criticism of their cancellation, as that criticism will get transferred to your thread instead - thereby creating an incentive to bring back announcements in order to at least give a positive spin. The world functions on initiative, not on "X should do Y". Edited January 17, 2012 by Letum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you think they should be talked about in public then make an unofficial thread about the cancellation here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Freddy' timestamp='1326822449' post='2901565'] Why would anyone post their treaty cancelation? [/quote] To inform the world who your current allies are. It's kinda self explanatory. I think not announcing treaties and cancellations is absolutely ridiculous. Treaties are a huge portion of how the politics of this world function. Announcing treaty updates is part of that system. You really can't function as a legitimate political entity without working within the established system. Hell, FAN and NoR didn't even have a treaty as they canceled on us publicly. I think the whole world was better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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