Haflinger Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I don't predict the next huge alliance war happening for another few months; but if I'm wrong, I suppose it'll be because of GOONS latest "Pro-Piracy" act going astray. I really doubt GOONS will have this kind of impact. Nobody would start a war over them proclaiming open season on the unaligned; lots of alliances already raid 3v1, the thread is just a place where people debate the practice. Huge wars only happen when people are looking for one. The rest of the time, when disputes come up, they get settled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Things aren't slow. There just aren't any famous spy rings around to post publications about Citadel, C&G, SF, and FB. Just because I don't know what's happening behind closed doors doesn't mean that nothing is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Things aren't slow. There just aren't any famous spy rings around to post publications about Citadel, C&G, SF, and FB. Just because I don't know what's happening behind closed doors doesn't mean that nothing is happening. There really wouldnt be anything to publish about FB anyway. Not that we wouldnt want to be secretly playing everyone against one another, Im sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opethian Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Nobody around here can be satisfied, ever. Generally speaking, if'n there ain't a major war, them people just ain't happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyman Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I'm having plenty of fun, and it'll only get better from here on out. Of course, rebuilding is a part of that, but I think that I'll end up taking a more participative role when it comes to paving a new path for ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x8BitL0gic Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I really doubt GOONS will have this kind of impact. Nobody would start a war over them proclaiming open season on the unaligned; lots of alliances already raid 3v1, the thread is just a place where people debate the practice.Huge wars only happen when people are looking for one. The rest of the time, when disputes come up, they get settled. Hmm, I'm sorry then. I just read the topic, and the semi-heated discussion that went along with it. I guess it sort of implanted itself into my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) Definitely much better now. People have a much greater opportunity to do whatever they want without having to get the approval of some higher power. Edited September 17, 2009 by Tomcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 It's the same as before. The only difference is that the strongest alliance is extremely passive. Pretty much the same for the rest of the sanctioned alliances. If only they were a little bit more pro-active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 There really wouldnt be anything to publish about FB anyway. Not that we wouldnt want to be secretly playing everyone against one another, Im sure. Is that my cue to post another De Profundis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBuc Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Huge wars only happen when people are looking for one. The rest of the time, when disputes come up, they get settled. I cannot overstate how true this is. There has NEVER been a global war except when at least one side wants it, and very rarely without both sides wanting it (At the very least the second side must be resgined to it). World wars do not "just happen". Every now and then we see an event that could trigger a world war, but it always gets defused. Why? Because people aren't ready for one yet. We'll get a world war when there are two clearly defined sides that want to kill each other. Not before. Everyone is very passive right now, but this being CN, sooner or later we will get two sides that want to kill each other. -Bama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 You guys are also forgetting that even though school started a monthish ago, its still the beginning of the year for more than half of the players and potential players, give it a month or two and I think the membership will come back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Just a little something to keep in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Pitt Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Very true, very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.Just a little something to keep in mind. Quoting Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr is a sure sign war is coming. Time to get serious about the warchest again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfEmpty Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 There's tension. There's always tension. It's just a matter of whether the mob on the OWF gets to see it or not. Are you in the guild? If not keep quiet, else the mob will be playing the game, and that's just too wrong. Sans Coulottes Obligitory for this page Frogery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cortath Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I repeat what I'll said: if you're bored, you're in the wrong alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Is that my cue to post another De Profundis? That one's copyrighted, but feel free to go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Stuff I thought up on the fly. Take it or leave it. Fear: Like it or not, everyone's still afraid of getting rolled and thus won't take major chances. Sure, the old thing that used to be feared (The Hegemony / Pacifica / whatever) is beaten and not going to be big and nasty for a long while but that doesn't change anything fundamentally. I doubt that, even with all the "Friends Before Infra" rhetoric floating around, that there are too many alliances willing to bet their existence as a viable force on their friends really being there no matter what (the word "mandatory" having been shown to be less-than-mandatory). People are scared, people don't want to take risks and it's all because they don't want their nations shot out from under them. So, essentially, nothing has changed. Hyena Statesmanship: We all come to the CN Forums on a regular basis to keep up on what we refer to as "the drama" - in other words, we're here to watch someone else bugger up really badly and get pounded into the dirt while we laugh at their silliness and sip our drinks. As the situation progresses we then, if its worth it, seek ways to exploit it for our own benefit and for the benefit of our friends. In essence, we're here to profit from someone else's demise. Same old stuff. Lack of Innovation: For some odd reason it seems that the Cyberverse politics rely heavily on the same old crowd of people to do everything. Be it Moo, Doitzel, Sponge, Tyga, Ivan or anyone else on a list of names which I'd hazard isn't longer than two-hundred in total we're all waiting for one of them to go do something that we all recognize and then follow along with nicely. Rarely does a new face show up to shake the Cyberverse and, even then, they mostly just get ridiculed and ignored. We're sitting here waiting for others to start the fun for us. Been there, done that, still doing that. Lack of Pizzazz: Honestly, outside of a few alliances who are known to raise hairs almost every time they post something (Pacifica, FAN, GOONS, RAD-IS-Bel Air and Vox Populi are the only ones coming to mind, actually) everyone does the same old tired dance. It's hard to say what it is that makes an alliance announcement consistently different and interesting but, for the most part, alliances simply don't got it. More flair and personality might be a welcome addition but for now we're still following the same old formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Longworth Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I don't think you've experienced fun until you have been staggered for a few weeks. Now that's excitement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRA KING Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 The Game always gets sluggish in this time due to the school term and work resuming but wait until the holidays hits then the action steps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Lack of Innovation: For some odd reason it seems that the Cyberverse politics rely heavily on the same old crowd of people to do everything. Be it Moo, Doitzel, Sponge, Tyga, Ivan or anyone else on a list of names which I'd hazard isn't longer than two-hundred in total we're all waiting for one of them to go do something that we all recognize and then follow along with nicely. Rarely does a new face show up to shake the Cyberverse and, even then, they mostly just get ridiculed and ignored. We're sitting here waiting for others to start the fun for us. Been there, done that, still doing that.Lack of Pizzazz: Honestly, outside of a few alliances who are known to raise hairs almost every time they post something (Pacifica, FAN, GOONS, RAD-IS-Bel Air and Vox Populi are the only ones coming to mind, actually) everyone does the same old tired dance. It's hard to say what it is that makes an alliance announcement consistently different and interesting but, for the most part, alliances simply don't got it. More flair and personality might be a welcome addition but for now we're still following the same old formula. This is why I'm just going to sit here and watch (and maybe heckle Moldavi a bit). I've got all the time in the world, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) Heh well when I led Soldier and we were under TPF protection, Soldier gov got into it with Rangarok gov and TailsK queried mhawk asking him to roll Soldier. Well, mhawk said no and tensions ran high. Eventually talks between both parties ended and they were both preparing for something to pop off. Apparently Duckroll and Super Friends were ready to go at it and Soldier was the most populated IRC channel on at the time. Yeah we were insignificant and nothing materialized but no doubt it was some of the funnest times I've ever had. The build up, the trash talk, it's like nothing else. It's why I still play. Edited September 17, 2009 by The AUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I now find (the forums at the very least) more boring than ever, it's always been hard for one guy to stick their head out to stir up some fun in this game and looks like the trend is goind to remain the same. Maybe in a long time something will happen, but for now, I expect we can just twiddle our thumbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 CN needs moar NSO style, I would love to see that. I agree with this very intelligent and insightful young man and/or woman. I've been waiting for this time to come for years, and now that it's finally have...I'm making the most of it No you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 The basic problem, if you want to call it that, is very simple. Before the Karma War, the treaty web had coalesced into a balance of terror, similar to Europe before WWI, only worse. The web of interlocking defense relationships that had been set up guaranteed that anyone who wanted to start a huge war had very little chance of victory. Put simply: the amount of nation strength that would be shifted towards the defensive side was much bigger than any potential aggressive force. For various reasons, Moo-Cows decided to try and beat the treatyweb anyway. He failed, and NPO is now under major terms of surrender. Other alliance leaders contemplating similar revolts must have taken that as a signal that the political reality had changed, and none of them possess nearly as much force as he did before the war. And nobody is going to risk receiving the kinds of terms that NPO got. So you're not going to get this kind of revolt against the treatyweb anytime soon. Not until the strategic situation fundamentally changes. The best you can hope for in terms of wars is for smaller alliances and blocs to fight, which is now quite a bit more likely as power is now much less centralized than it was under Continuum. Of course, there's a whole lot more to this game than just wars, but a lot of people don't get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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