Londo Mollari Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 There is none. And you people are hanging on Roquentin's every word like bros spying on UPN is any big thang. Ya'lld crap your pants full of more brown than GATO if you knew what all we did back in the day. The party's over folks. The remaining alliance leaders are either too inactive or too timid or care too much about the "social status" they derive as leaders of "influential alliances" to risk what they have by rocking the established social order or rocking the boat. As a certain former NEW member put it most eloquently.... "tiny ball and submissive personality". That's what's left. You may now resume your regular "social interaction". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 A+ post there Londo. It's why any form of mass raiding is now a "Big Deal" on the OWF. Back in the day it was a regular occurrence. So much baaawing and posturing nowadays. I look forward to the formation of the Hegemony of this new age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Moon Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 A very detailed and thorough analysis. Kudos to you Londo. "Hey man, look over here... no, at ME. Yeah, that stuff isn't even bad compared to what we [b]used[/b] to do. If only you peons knew..." Good for you man, congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) So hubristic... I'll be amused if Gre kills this new hegemony like last time. Just don't forget to take out the neutrals before you go down! Edited February 18, 2012 by Instr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krack Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) All true. And unlike the pre-Karma period of coalition building, the current group of necessary alliances to form a counter-force can't and won't get along. The alliances that formed Karma didn't hate each other; the closest you got to genuine dislike was GOD and Gramlins (and that was because Gramlins trolled GOD for ten minutes one time - and it was just a grudge for the sake of having a grudge). The Karma alliances may not have been friends, but they certainly weren't at each other's throats. Now compare that to today's political landscape. Everyone that would need to work together can't stand each other. There's even genuine distrust/unhappiness/anger between alliances and blocs that used to be close friends. Edited February 18, 2012 by Krack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1329556253' post='2923273'] There is none. And you people are hanging on Roquentin's every word like bros spying on UPN is any big thang. Ya'lld crap your pants full of more brown than GATO if you knew what all we did back in the day. The party's over folks. The remaining alliance leaders are either too inactive or too timid or care too much about the "social status" they derive as leaders of "influential alliances" to risk what they have by rocking the established social order or rocking the boat. As a certain former NEW member put it most eloquently.... "tiny ball and submissive personality". That's what's left. You may now resume your regular "social interaction". [/quote] Thats the post karma MK run world for ya. [quote name='Krack' timestamp='1329558326' post='2923281'] All true. And unlike the pre-Karma period of coalition building, the current group of necessary alliances to form a counter-force can't and won't get along. The alliances that formed Karma didn't hate each other; the closest you got to genuine dislike was GOD and Gramlins (and that was because Gramlins trolled GOD for ten minutes one time - and it was just a grudge for the sake of having a grudge). The Karma alliances may not have been friends, but they certainly weren't at each other's throats. Now compare that to today's political landscape. Everyone that would need to work together can't stand each other. There's even genuine distrust/unhappiness/anger between alliances and blocs that used to be close friends. [/quote] The real downside of the karma revolution is that they really hated NPO and since they won they dont seem to be able to bring themselves to attack someone unless they hate them (see the TOP war and FARK/FAN V NPO war). NPO and their allies pre karma could wage war without needing to feel hatred because they are [ooc]playing a game[ooc] and not trying to be part of the bs lets be real friends community. Edited February 18, 2012 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1329556581' post='2923274'] A+ post there Londo. It's why any form of mass raiding is now a "Big Deal" on the OWF. Back in the day it was a regular occurrence. So much baaawing and posturing nowadays. [/quote] Mass-raiding has been a 'big deal' on the OWF since long before Londo's theoretical point when alliance leaders became too inactive or timid to do anything. Heh, on the very day I joined, more than two years and three global wars ago, a mass-raid -- by the alliance Londo lead, no less -- turned into [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=73713&st=0]this massive spectacle[/url]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Webster Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I think someone is still sore about Thriller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Wally Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Down with tiny balls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzptm Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Empty ideas from an empty vessel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1329578421' post='2923375'] Empty ideas from an empty vessel. [/quote] What an accurate summation of your posting, but it seems kind of off topic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steodonn Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='Schad' timestamp='1329558954' post='2923285'] Mass-raiding has been a 'big deal' on the OWF since long before Londo's theoretical point when alliance leaders became too inactive or timid to do anything. Heh, on the very day I joined, more than two years and three global wars ago, a mass-raid -- by the alliance Londo lead, no less -- turned into [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=73713&st=0"]this massive spectacle[/url]. [/quote] Thats not that long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='steodonn' timestamp='1329581102' post='2923392'] Thats not that long ago [/quote] But Londo was arguing that the problem is inactive/scared leaders, and I wouldn't consider the period immediately following Karma to have fit that bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Londo is correct. I was just commenting last night on (on irc) how many stunts used to be pulled back in the Wild West days. If an alliance from those days ever came clean, people wouldn't believe it unless they were around for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddyyo Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='Schad' timestamp='1329581543' post='2923396'] But Londo was arguing that the problem is inactive/scared leaders, and I wouldn't consider the period immediately following Karma to have fit that bill. [/quote] Two years ago? Try three and a half for me, and back then, people already were much more sedentary than the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Raids alliances with no treaties, calls other people timid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilyn Caster Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I made a really long thread about this during the war, about how if the opposite coalition stood together they had a chance of defeating us. Instead, it was squandered on infighting and random strikes against uninvolved parties. I just don't think the other side of the web have the charismatic leaders required to build a coalition around. In time, they could. But as of right now no one is willing to put down their differences and work together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoindotnler Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Find it a bit lacking in the detailed part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1329583076' post='2923407'] Raids alliances with no treaties, calls other people timid. [/quote] Are you suggesting that quietly beating on small groups of people with no political ties [i]isn't[/i] a brave and bold plan to bring dynamism back to the political arena? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Everything . Must. Die. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1329556253' post='2923273']The party's over folks. The remaining alliance leaders are either too inactive or too timid or care too much about the "social status" they derive as leaders of "influential alliances" to risk what they have by rocking the established social order or rocking the boat.[/quote] I'm tired of this argument, or any other one that blames other people for the lack of (insert something supposedly missing in CN). We're all responsible for our own actions, and no amount of blaming is going to change anyone else. Edited February 18, 2012 by White Chocolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 [quote name='Arcturus Jefferson' timestamp='1329584453' post='2923416'] Are you suggesting that quietly beating on small groups of people with no political ties [i]isn't[/i] a brave and bold plan to bring dynamism back to the political arena? [/quote] But, hey, I'm a lunatic, so what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 haha no seriously thriller was cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I [i]am[/i] the revolution. Join me in #KzoppTalk for plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Maybe if all Londo's friends and former friends all sign more treaties and form more blocs with treaties between them, plus also continue to insist that new alliances with new ideas, leaders, philosophies, and perspectives stop forming because we've already reached their idea of how many alliances there should be, then things will get more exciting. Edited February 18, 2012 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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