Voytek Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='King Penchuk' timestamp='1317271388' post='2811019'] You seem so eager for someone who does not care about little old me. [/quote] uh "does this statement of yours mean this thing" isn't the most emphatic statement of eagerness in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) [quote name='King Penchuk' timestamp='1317270893' post='2810965'] I am becoming tired of the arguments. I would be happier with a simple "we are attacking you to have war with NpO". At least it would be honest. [/quote] I find the conceit of the polar crowd quite astounding. This was UPN's error and their failure to accept historically reasonable terms, why should this be cast as a personal a front to you? Would you not also defend your protectorates, or demand due reparations? Also I thought you opposed tech raiding? Edited September 29, 2011 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1317271419' post='2811021'] You're right. Didn't read that. [/quote] yeah generally speaking reading the post that contains the seed for all the subsequent discussion in a thread is a Good Plan Of Attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Also: a message to NG regarding UPN. [IMG]http://ibankcoin.com/chessnwine/files/2011/06/finish-him.gif[/IMG] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1317271026' post='2810972'] Also, its an Military Officers JOB and DUTY to know who they are hitting when. So really, don't take someones inability to properly know their targets as them becoming a victim. Accountability for crying out loud. [/quote]Your argument would be far more compelling if we weren't living in an unequal world where accountability is reliant entirely upon political connections, or lack thereof. [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1317271105' post='2810979']What's demeaning about it? I posted the math showing that 30mil is much closer to right than 6mil. UPN refused to come up and pay a reasonable amount of reparations. If they had paid, what would be demeaning about it? They'd pay the reparations, and it would all be resolved quietly. Nobody would even know it happened. Instead, now everyone knows that UPN's MoD can't figure out if an alliance is safe to raid, and UPN is too strapped for cash to pay for their mistakes. Now that's demeaning.[/quote]30 million or 3 million, inflationary trends have made numbers that small, or really cash reps in general, easily payable by most every alliance. Likewise rebuilding is simple beyond measure because easy cash is so readily available. So, really at this point cash reps aren't about money or rebuilding. They're about acknowledging fault and symbolically making reparations. UPN offered to do that by paying twice what they thought the damage was worth. The only logical reason for NG to refuse their offer, or to not try to find a middle ground, is because they wanted something UPN refused to give them: a submissive, humiliating gesture. UPN refused and they were right to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheListener Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1317271507' post='2811024'] This CB is preposterous. Would you have us believe that a UPN member is capable of doing damage ingame? I find this highly unlikely. Why then were reparations asked? [/quote] Thread's over, run along now kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwood1 Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1317271507' post='2811024'] This CB is preposterous. Would you have us believe that a UPN member is capable of doing damage ingame? I find this highly unlikely. Why then were reparations asked? [/quote] You have a point, I will discuss this very valid point with my fellow Tris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1317271520' post='2811025'] uh "does this statement of yours mean this thing" isn't the most emphatic statement of eagerness in the world [/quote] Don't be so grouchy now, you might hurt yourself buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Llanowar Elf' timestamp='1317270761' post='2810958'] It may be on NG's wiki, but where is there own AA's wiki? How is someone supposed to automatically know that there is an agreement out there, when there is no official wiki for the AA in question? Are they supposed to go through every single thread in the OWF? There MoD, checked to see if there was a wiki. There was none. He then checked there bios, nothing. What more does one do? Pm the nation asking if it is ok for them to be tech raided? [/quote] erm.. Hate to tell you... http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Venomous_Larvae 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> I didn't know that it had a protectorate with you 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> check their bio 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> none of them had non-grata event mentioned there 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> so how was I to know? 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> have you never raided before? 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> you can't just check bios 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> I hv 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> you have to check forums and wiki page too 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> generally that is the practice 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> there's a plethora of information available to you, far too much for you to be ignorant 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> you can't expect me to check d wiki page for 200 alliance 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> sure i can 05:33 <~KingXander> <KingXander> its the same !@#$%^&* i have to go through when i want to raid 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> yeah right 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> I tried to reason with you 05:33 <~KingXander> <Dobs2504[UPN]> if that is beyond then I can't help I call that just being plain lazy personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1317270868' post='2810963'] This isn't about NG being omg offended and morally outraged by UPN's actions. This is about NG using UPN's mistake as an opportunity to demean them for the sake of it. UPN refused and attempted to solve the issue via diplomatic means. NG disliked being negotiated with and declared. I have a solid case. [/quote] I'm saying this with without any disrespect intended, but don't be stupid, because you're not. You know UPN messed up, and you know the number asked wasn't 'unreasonable' or any other type of buzzword like that. Some causes are worth arguing for, some are worth fighting for, and some are nothing but a reminder of what's bound to eventually happen when you keep a retard chained in your basement for way too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='King Penchuk' timestamp='1317271650' post='2811036'] Don't be so grouchy now, you might hurt yourself buddy. [/quote] this kind of forced non sequitur is the kind of thing awkward 12 year olds use just a quick heads-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 It's disappointing to see so much name calling still being thrown around. I suppose time away from Planet Bob doesn't really change much of the politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1317271624' post='2811032'] 30 million or 3 million, inflationary trends have made numbers that small, or really cash reps in general, easily payable by most every alliance. Likewise rebuilding is simple beyond measure because easy cash is so readily available. So, really at this point cash reps aren't about money or rebuilding. They're about acknowledging fault and symbolically making reparations. UPN offered to do that by paying twice what they thought the damage was worth. The only logical reason for NG to refuse their offer, or to not try to find a middle ground, is because they wanted something UPN refused to give them: a submissive, humiliating gesture. UPN refused and they were right to do so. [/quote] Except this ignores that UPN was wrong on the value of the damages. I am sure NG made them aware of this, as their reasoning for requesting 30mil was because that was what they calculated damages as. The fact that UPN would try to obfuscate it and say that 3mil is all the damage that was done, when that can be proven demonstrably wrong is stupid. UPN can try to say that 30mil == 3mil, but when they get attacked for their stubbornness, they really shouldn't cry, and the claims of extortion are outrageous slander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 As the mayor of raidertown it makes me sad to see people not using due diligence, it reflects badly on us raiders. The information was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='James Maximus' timestamp='1317270618' post='2810951'] You're above comments like this Hal.[/quote] Well? Are they prepared to do something about it? I'd love to know personally and so would a lot of other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brehon Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Fallin Fool, that is a lazy answer. Also if Polaris is bothered so much by this... protect your ally this way... tell them to accept the terms and you aid bomb them. Lesson learned things move on. If you find that reps demanded to be excessive (which again is a bs argument) there are two choices. Posturing does nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendoftheSkies Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Good stuff NG. Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1317271587' post='2811029'] yeah generally speaking reading the post that contains the seed for all the subsequent discussion in a thread is a Good Plan Of Attack [/quote] I'm busy right now. I'll comeback with an insult to you later. Edited September 29, 2011 by Ryan Greenberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Also the fact that this topic has me agreeing with Brehon is a sure sign we're marching towards Armageddon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1317271878' post='2811051'] As the mayor of raidertown it makes me sad to see people not using due diligence, it reflects badly on us raiders. The information was there. [/quote] [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105625&st=100&p=2810941&#entry2810941]No kidding[/url]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1317271624' post='2811032'] Your argument would be far more compelling if we weren't living in an unequal world where accountability is reliant entirely upon political connections, or lack thereof. 30 million or 3 million, inflationary trends have made numbers that small, or really cash reps in general, easily payable by most every alliance. Likewise rebuilding is simple beyond measure because easy cash is so readily available. So, really at this point cash reps aren't about money or rebuilding. They're about acknowledging fault and symbolically making reparations. UPN offered to do that by paying twice what they thought the damage was worth. The only logical reason for NG to refuse their offer, or to not try to find a middle ground, is because they wanted something UPN refused to give them: a submissive, humiliating gesture. [b]UPN refused and they were right to do so.[/b] [/quote] And with all due respect, it is then Non Grata's right to DoW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexomega Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Sup NG. I kinda escaped into PM on you because your blitz wasn't very blitzy. Sorry about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Valleo Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1317268580' post='2810821'] 2 nations attacked, 2 nations anarchied... I call that a good blitz by the Stew-meister [/quote] Rollin Rollin Rolling, keep them doggies rollin..... o/ NG [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1317270150' post='2810918'] So UPN wanted a war with FEAR, what does this have to do with Non Grata again? Also for UPN it seems granting them that sanction when they were fighting me didn't earn them leeway here, enjoy the fight though. [/quote] Wow you are actually still here, and think you have an opinion. Oh yeah the UPN santion was totally based on leeway they would have from helping you in the past [quote name='King Penchuk' timestamp='1317270436' post='2810939'] I am not impressed. [/quote] Well please step in and impress EVERYONE. Bets right now are that you wont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1317272004' post='2811060'] Also the fact that this topic has me agreeing with Brehon is a sure sign we're marching towards Armageddon. [/quote] I was thinking along the same lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extraduty Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Dexomega' timestamp='1317272141' post='2811066'] Sup NG. I kinda escaped into PM on you because your blitz wasn't very blitzy. Sorry about that. [/quote] You must be so very proud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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