WorldConqueror Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 One sided terms are a surrender. Even so much as making one side agree to not re-enter on another front, makes it a surrender as opposed to a white peace. I'm not faulting the actual agreement. I'm just saying it isn't white peace, it's a surrender. I think you'll find that white peace here has always included a proviso that the loser of the war will not reenter the ongoing conflict. wait i mean o no doom squad how dare you impose such horrible terms!!11!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Congratulations on achieving peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathAdder Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think you'll find that white peace here has always included a proviso that the loser of the war will not reenter the ongoing conflict. Yeah, pretty much. Or that both will peace out, and neither re-enter, depending on circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 but Lord Bagel is on your side, opposite of FTW and DS. I blame Lord Bagel for this confusion. Congrats on the peace! Wait, I like Lord Bagel but I want a doughnut instead... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Truly peace in our time. Goodnight and have a pleasant tomorow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Wait, I like Lord Bagel but I want a doughnut instead... :P Eat donuts. Not bagels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well done on your first global war AW :DCzar if you need some rebuilding aid hit me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I enjoyed coordinating with Alpha Wolves. You guys put up a good fight all things considered. Have fun rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think you'll find that white peace here has always included a proviso that the loser of the war will not reenter the ongoing conflict. wait i mean o no doom squad how dare you impose such horrible terms!!11!1 Largely because we have whitewashed the term "white peace" in order to make surrender more appetizing to the loser. Before we all bastardized the term, white peace is status quo ante bellum; that is to say, ending a war without an unconditional surrender. I'd argue that peace in exchange for both a formal surrender and/or no re-entry is not inherently white peace. I guess I'm just being overly pedantic. Debellation is really the ultimate goal of every CN war anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Largely because we have whitewashed the term "white peace" in order to make surrender more appetizing to the loser. Before we all bastardized the term, white peace is status quo ante bellum; that is to say, ending a war without an unconditional surrender. I'd argue that peace in exchange for both a formal surrender and/or no re-entry is not inherently white peace. I guess I'm just being overly pedantic. Debellation is really the ultimate goal of every CN war anyways. I agree, it's a misused term, I tacitly acknowledged that in my use of the qualifier 'here'. Any concession as a means to peace is a surrender of some degree. Whoever dubbed peace and no re-entry as white peace definitely knew what they were doing in terms of perception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 FTW! o/ Doomsquad! o/ Congrats on peace everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Has there ever been an end to a war that didn't bring out the lawyer instinct in people? Nope. Good to see that some traditions never die. However, lawyering doesn't interest me nearly as much as helping people use the right words to describe things. For example, in this instance the term folks are grasping for is 'armistice', in which two (or more) parties agree to stop fighting each other and not resume hostilities. It includes no 'terms' beyond that. Sometimes an admission of defeat is implied [OOC](eg. The Armistice of Cassibile in 1943)[/OOC] but sometimes it is not implied at all [OOC](as with the Korean Armistice Agreement)[/OOC]. It usually implies that there will be some kind of permanent agreement down the road, but it doesn't have to. Hope this helps everyone. Eat donuts. Not bagels Good call. I can see how your saying "Eat me!" might actually seem to be an invitation to suicide-by-nosh. Whoever dubbed peace and no re-entry as white peace definitely knew what they were doing in terms of perception. 'Piece and no re-entry' is also known as a quickie. Edited January 7, 2015 by kingzog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 'Piece and no re-entry' is also known as a quickie. Which is oddly fitting for something that traditionally starts with a blitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obscurus Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Well, "white peace" looks better than "surrender without reps", especially for the ego of the "whitepeacean". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Next up: terms including reps, bans from posting and EZI = white peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Please ban Tywin from posting in the terms for NpO's surrender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tehmina Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 congrats to both wolf parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 and no more wolves were harmed o7 white peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eljierro Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Next up: terms including reps, bans from posting and EZI = white peace Soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Damn you people for making me agree with Tywin. This isn't white peace, but at least both sides walked away respecting one another after having a well fought war. o/Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Bravo FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovidsidios Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Damn you people for making me agree with Tywin. This isn't white peace, but at least both sides walked away respecting one another after having a well fought war. o/Peace. A quality of wolves: incapable of hate, unless you really suck. And I mean...you gotta really be a piece of work. For what it's worth, dialoging with Czar was easily one of the most awkward things I did during the war. However, like most things, they grow on you. Life is interesting because, before we were Fellowship or Alpha, before we were leaders or hunters or instructors, before our distinct and inimitable howls pierced those moonless nights, we were all pups; cute, furry, little murderous canines. This war has helped remind us that we were all* cute and furry at some point, and would have happily played chase or "hey, that's mine" with any one of them when we were young and ignorant. *obviously not everyone can be a cool four legged murdering machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Which is oddly fitting for something that traditionally starts with a blitz. If it's oddly fitting you should probably consult a physician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFuzzy Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Please ban Tywin from posting in the terms for NpO's surrender Just ban him in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Please ban Tywin from posting in the terms for NpO's surrender I'm cool with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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