Proof of Allegations

[ktarthan]

Well I guess at the very least I have the take back the "vapourware" comment. You certainly did deliver. Something. Clearly this is way above my paygrade so I'm going to hold my tongue for the most part. I will say, however, that regardless of the validity of your claims, the way that you have gone about this has left a bad taste in my mouth. And for you (or anyone) to claim that you were [i]provoked[/i] into posting these in this manner is either dishonesty or delusion.

[Farrin Xies]

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329209307' post='2920108']
Keep trying to deny my credibility.

Okay, seriously to the non-NG/MK/TLR, do you people really want guys like Jacapo, Jgoods, and 1337 running the show?
[/quote]

I like Jacapo. Jgoods, even though he's derpy, is pretty cool. And 1337 does a good job of making me not hate MK... so, y'know, I don't terribly mind them running the show, nah.

Edit: I'm also sad, Roq, that you won't answer my questions on the NPO boards

Edited February 14, 2012 by Farrin Xies

[TodZumTeufel]

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1329206542' post='2920063']
This is all for moot. Even if Bros had FTP access he would need Database access as the forums are not stored in plain text. They tend to be stored either in a MySQL or PostGres database. Most forum structures are MySQL and hunting through MySQL tends to be a balls ache and doesn't give you a pretty screenshot which lots of people tend to show when they are showing leaks.
[/quote]

This has been mentioned various times throughout this discussion, that someone with only FTP access cannot possibly do anything to the database in order to elevate his access or for any other reason without knowing the credentials for the database, and this is simply not the case. If someone is given FTP access it is then a trivial matter to then elevate their access to the forums. All he would need to do would be to sign up to the forums with some bogus information (he wouldn't even need to spend time creating a fake email), then elevate his access to the level of an administrator, or really anything he wanted to, do his perusing, and then return his access to that of an unmasked member who never even verified their email. Now surely this could leave some traces, but I'm sure there's a way around that and he seems to be good enough with the forums that I'm sure he's capable of doing it. Now, I'm not saying that this means he did it, but it does mean that it could be done very easily and you should be more concerned about who you give FTP access to that pretty much anyone else.

[CptGodzilla]

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1329210555' post='2920122']
Enlighten us, please? We are definitely interested.
[/quote]

Krack is taking something that happened several years ago and is trying to both falsely lay the blame on others as well as portray it in the darkest light possible, just so it can seem relevant to the topic at hand. Not only is it not relevant, but it also wasn't as big of a 'situation' as he makes it out to be

*Shrugs* maybe I'm thinking of something else. Oh well

Edited February 14, 2012 by CptGodzilla

[Banksy]

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329207345' post='2920075']
I wanted to ally NoR tbh. 1337 can vouch for that. Hell, Umbrella members know I've always defended NoR against nazi accusations. If I had had autocratic control, I'd have allied them if they were willing. I already discussed my actual opinions on TOP in the blog. No, you go $%&@ yourself and your alliance is absolute scum. Go to Hell. The thing is, they've been really bad, so it was necessary.
[/quote]Oh please, you made your opinions regarding TOP abundantly clear during our war with the NPO. Your paranoia over them is what started off this mess. You've come here to grandstand about how we 'attack' people who don't fall into our plans and yet you ignore the fact you spit the dummy whenever we questioned yours. As for NoR, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt there, it may have been other Umbrella members who dislike them.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329207729' post='2920080']
Also Banksy, I went to great lengths for Umbrella, giving unparalleled dedication, and they keep you around instead when you treated them like !@#$. Remus Lupin sure liked to trash them, neh? Seriously, you shouldn't be talking.

See you even said who you were on cntel. Holy !@#$.[/quote]
Are you seriously saying that with my (5) CNtel accounts I was spouting genuine anti-umbrella feelings? All my posts were anti-MK with Lupin et al. I've been one of the biggest Umbrella supporters in MK for over a year. No one is denying your dedication, everyone is saying you're throwing it away by sperging out over the fact you don't like Denial and Leet said mean things about you. Only a month ago you would have been one of the most revered leaders in CN and now you're managing to piss off everyone you helped when you led Umbrella.

You say that i'm treating Umbrella like !@#$ because of fake CNtel accounts, and yet you are threatening Umbrella with 'Nagasaki' because of illicit actions [i]you[/i] did when [i]you[/i] were in power. Who's really the scum here?



Go seek help. You won't get better by staying here.

[Krack]

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1329210555' post='2920122']
Enlighten us, please? We are definitely interested.
[/quote]

Wouldn't it be more fun if Crymson explained? He's obviously very interested in being an active participant in the conversation. Further, is this your denial of it ever happening?

[quote name='CptGodzilla' timestamp='1329212827' post='2920131']
Krack is taking something that happened several years ago and is trying to both falsely lay the blame on others as well as portray it in the darkest light possible, just so it can seem relevant to the topic at hand. Not only is it not relevant, but it also wasn't as big of a 'situation' as he makes it out to be
[/quote]

Actually, it was happening around the same time the posts discussed in this thread were made. Perhaps "one year ago" or "12 months ago", but not really "several years ago" - or are you simply unaware of what I am talking about?

Edited February 14, 2012 by Krack

[Avakael]

Question- What exactly is Roq doing wrong by posting these screenshots?

[Krack]

[quote name='Avakael' timestamp='1329213864' post='2920134']
Question- What exactly is Roq doing wrong by posting these screenshots?
[/quote]

He broke the omerta.

[Tygaland]

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1329209807' post='2920118']
That's because I don't believe you. Everything you say and do here is influenced by your vendetta against MK.
[/quote]

And we all know no one knows a vendetta like Crymson. Game's up, Roquentin.

[D34th]

This thread absolutely made my day, I thought that Bros was some kind of incorruptible saint?

The amount of hatred coming from MK members and their minions plus the excessive use of the "hypocrisy/hypocrite" words by MK towards Roquentin are extremely amusing, I also enjoy see you guys at each other's throats(metaphorically, I hope) .

[quote name='Quinoa Rex' timestamp='1329196691' post='2919904']
Someone else being accused of committing some perceived crime doesn't absolve you of yours.
[/quote]

The irony levels of this thread [img]http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/150/f/2010/190/9/b/It__s_over_9000_by_NakamuratheHedgehog.jpg[/img]


[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1329208708' post='2920094']
You're obsessed, Roq.
[/quote]

When the subject is "obsession" we have to agree that Crymson is a specialist.

[Crymson]

[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1329213304' post='2920133']
Wouldn't it be more fun if Crymson explained? He's obviously very interested in being an active participant in the conversation. Further, is this your denial of it ever happening?
[/quote]

I'm just as puzzled as Yev is, so perhaps you'd better do us the service instead.

[Monster]

I don't think you guys understand that it takes me more effort to defecate than to respond to most of the posting by the fine gentlemen at MK and Non Grata.

I like how big man Banksy is trying to play me off as nuts when he was craven enough to take advantage of a horrible real life situation to crap all over me.

I told lebubu this pattern was developing during the war and he didn't rein them in. He wasn't a very good leader in terms of that.

I'm not really sure why I'm supposed to follow non-existent confidentiality agreements when you crap all over me. I'm not Grub.

I still don't know what you guys are talking about with regards to illicit actions. I think you took some speculative stuff too far. Idiots.

I'm referring to something else by Nagasaki.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Roquentin

[Krack]

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1329214377' post='2920139']
I'm just as puzzled as Yev is, so perhaps you'd better do us the service instead.
[/quote]

Are you saying it never happened? Let's get the rest of the gang in here, so we're all on record ... Feanor? President Obama?

[Monster]

Krack don't derail with that. The target is MK.

[Joseph Black]

While this makes for an interesting read, its to bad nothing of substance will come from this, other than I'll make damn sure Bros had nothing to do with our forum's creation. That aside this thread is simply a den of thieves, cheats, lyres, and con artists all trying to make themselves look and smell good, but regardless of what color brown you make yourself, you all flush the same way.

[berbers]

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1329192097' post='2919825']
Somewhere, Berbers is smiling...
[/quote]

You know me so well Gibs <3

Edit: Oops, I thought you were making reference to MK getting a black eye, which yes, makes me smile.

I didn't read the blogs so I didn't realize this was an attempt to nail Bros with spying, which I honestly didn't mean to imply with my post.

Edited February 14, 2012 by berbers

[Krack]

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329215179' post='2920143']
Krack don't derail with that. The target is MK.
[/quote]

Your target, maybe. I, on the other hand, have zero interest in trying to turn one group of @$#%@%^$ against another group of #$%#$^@^ on the basis of untrustworthiness - particularly when the whole group (yourself included) was participating in spying on several alliances.

[berbers]

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1329197226' post='2919928']

On a side note, can any of this actually be considered spying? Each alliance knew an MK member had high level access. It's deceitful, yes, but is it really spying? (serious question btw)
[/quote]

Considering the moral outrage from everyone when they thought I was accusing Bros of spying by looking at posts on alliance forums, yes.

[berbers]

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1329208362' post='2920088']
This is nothing more then an elaborate smear campaign aimed at getting their allies to drop them. No decent ally would even consider a treaty cancellation based upon allegations made by a disenchanted source with an obvious anti-MK agenda.
[/quote]

Well, it would be more of a smear campaign if we had some denials. I haven't seen one denial, just deflection.

Can we get some MK posters on here saying they didn't spy on these alliances? Then we can turn this into a smear campaign.

[Avakael]

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1329216518' post='2920153']
Well, it would be more of a smear campaign if we had some denials. I haven't seen one denial, just deflection.

Can we get some MK posters on here saying they didn't spy on these alliances? Then we can turn this into a smear campaign.
[/quote]

Bros did post an alibi, if you read back a bit. But that pretty much flies in the face of whats stated in the screenshots, so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.

[Denial]

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1329216518' post='2920153']
Well, it would be more of a smear campaign if we had some denials. I haven't seen one denial, just deflection.

Can we get some MK posters on here saying they didn't spy on these alliances? Then we can turn this into a smear campaign.
[/quote]
Quite frankly, the details of precisely what did or did not go on would be restricted to the eyes of just a couple of people within the MK government. I imagine you'll be hearing from them tomorrow (this thread popped up quite late in the evening, and most went to bed shortly after its release). That's why it's a bit ridiculous when Roq or Krack throw out some vitriol about MK members denying the alleged spying; no one but the highest echelon of the government would be able to say, definitively, whether Roq's accusations are false, true, or a combination of both. Rank and file members, and low-mid government members, are just having fun with those aspects of Roq's muddled story - and the conspiracy theories of those that attach to his underbelly - that are quite clearly false. I mean, exactly who bros has allegedly spied on, and what forums he has access to, has changed about 10 times already, between this thread and Roq's last blog post.


Edit: typos.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Denial

[berbers]

[quote name='Denial' timestamp='1329217628' post='2920158']
Quite frankly, the details of precisely what did or did not go on would be restricted to the eyes of just a couple of people within the MK government. I imagine you'll be hearing from them tomorrow (this thread popped up quite late in the evening, and most went to bed shortly after its release). That's why it's a bit ridiculous when Roq or Krack throw out some vitriol about MK members denying the alleged spying; no one but the highest echelon of the government would be able to say, definitively, whether Roq's accusations are false, true, or a combination of both. Rank and file members, and low-mid government members, are just having fun with those aspects of Roq's muddled story - and the conspiracy theories of those that attach to his underbelly - that are quite clearly false. I mean, exactly who bros has allegedly spied on, and what forums he has access to, has changed about 10 times already, between this thread and Roq's last blog post.


Edit: typos.
[/quote]

Give this man a prize, smartest post of the thread so far!

[jerdge]

Unrestricted RW FTP level access means that one reads/writes the files, pretty much doing and accessing anything and everything. This doesn't mean that bros did or didn't spy, just that the "he couldn't have done it with FTP access" defence is flat out stupid.


[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1329191613' post='2919817']I'm not usually one to apply emotions to these sorts of situations but jesus Roq, Lebubu was your friend.[/quote]
Did Roq do this to go against lebubu? By the way, I am here assuming that you're talking of a Real Life friendship, which brings me to ask: are Roq's motives IC or "Real"?

[Voytek]

[quote name='jerdge' timestamp='1329218918' post='2920162']Did Roq do this to go against lebubu? By the way, I am here assuming that you're talking of a Real Life friendship, which brings me to ask: are Roq's motives IC or "Real"?[/quote]
with roq there is no difference. no i am not kidding, the people taking advantage of his current condition and egging him on because he is attacking the side of cn they don't like are the real pieces of !@#$ here

[Monster]

What condition? I'm happier than ever. This is the invincible summer. I'm not depressed anymore. My desire to end MK is my own. If others share it, please join me. lebubu wasn't bad as the others but he didn't rein in the triad of !@#$heads(Azaghul, Denial, and Banksy) with their lower tier of Tamerlane and Quinoa.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Roquentin