Exige Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1325955682' post='2894838'] The fact that your upper tier didn't hit enough targets (like we asked them to, to share the load of FARK's top tier) and the fact that after week1 there were hardly any new wars on NoR. I think the amount of wars from NoR on FARK can/could be counted on 3 hands. [/quote] Well our entire 100k+ tier took 2-3 targets if I remember correct. We declared on RIA earlier in the war tho, so several guys like myself already had 2 war slots filled. We all took targets above 100k NS and all of them besides 2two biggest who had 16k tech got below 100k NS after 1 round. After they were below 100k and into mid tier range, we didn't think we were needed anymore since there were plenty of alliances on them with only NoR and TOP having a 2nd war besides the FARK front, so since the necessary numbers were there, we focussed on our initial war. I guess we can't check it anymore but i'm willing to bet 50tech on it that you couldn't count our FARK wars on 3hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Exige' timestamp='1325966197' post='2894988'] Well our entire 100k+ tier took 2-3 targets if I remember correct. We declared on RIA earlier in the war tho, so several guys like myself already had 2 war slots filled. We all took targets above 100k NS and all of them besides 2two biggest who had 16k tech got below 100k NS after 1 round. After they were below 100k and into mid tier range, we didn't think we were needed anymore since there were plenty of alliances on them with only NoR and TOP having a 2nd war besides the FARK front, so since the necessary numbers were there, we focussed on our initial war. I guess we can't check it anymore but i'm willing to bet 50tech on it that you couldn't count our FARK wars on 3hands [/quote] Several of you took just 1 war. But I think it's better to move this convo to a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaazzam Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Top 40 AAs. Bleh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1325961216' post='2894925'] How do you not rate MK as Elite?[/quote] Excels at the diplomatic end of things...perhaps too well. Hard to gauge how good/bad MK is these days versus the incarnation that gave NPO a nuclear enema in the War of the Coalition (even as they took a pounding) or the version that fought in the Karma War. NPO is just the opposite--they were hard to gauge before Karma because they had elite/good fighting alliances surrounding them and their role focused more on logistics (aiding allied fighters) and coordination. It was later on that we got to see NPO in action in harder fights and they were exposed as being tech/military improvement/wonder light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supa_Troop3r Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Shaazzam' timestamp='1325966864' post='2894995'] Top 40 AAs. Bleh. [/quote] I echo this man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1325961216' post='2894925'] How do you not rate MK as Elite? [/quote] How do you rate 40 alliances in any sort of sensible order and be Chairman Hal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1325977896' post='2895128'] How do you rate 40 alliances in any sort of sensible order and be Chairman Hal? [/quote] *sniff* Your bait is unappetizing. Work on it. Better yet, stop posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDragon Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1325955682' post='2894838'] The fact that your upper tier didn't hit enough targets (like we asked them to, to share the load of FARK's top tier) and the fact that after week1 there were hardly any new wars on NoR. I think the amount of wars from NoR on FARK can/could be counted on 3 hands. [/quote] NoR pretty much only focused on RIA for the war. The NoR-Fark DoW was mostly a ghost DoW for chaining I think. I heard at some point they told their members not to declare any new wars on Fark so they pretty much had an unofficial ceasefire on them for most of the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Shaazzam' timestamp='1325966864' post='2894995'] Top 40 AAs. Bleh. [/quote] BN is #1 in my heart. OMFG is #2. Argent is up to #57. :colbert: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nippy Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='Shaazzam' timestamp='1325966864' post='2894995'] Top 40 AAs. Bleh. [/quote] [quote name='Supa_Troop3r' timestamp='1325969892' post='2895037'] I echo this man. [/quote] Sample size is important. :colbert: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='ShadowDragon' timestamp='1325978595' post='2895133']I heard at some point they told their members not to declare any new wars on Fark so they pretty much had an unofficial ceasefire on them for most of the war. [/quote] Untrue. After my wars with one RIA nation and two FARK nations expired, there were no targets left in the upper tiers. I think this goes for a lot of others as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerdge Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1325937186' post='2894716']GPA has the most score, therefore they must be the best alliance at war.[/quote] No, the GPA is the best alliance at peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 TPF members can confirm that MK had a piss poor performance in the Karma war and barely pulled its own weight. Not much has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltus Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Green Protection Agency and World Task Force need to have a war to find out who is the best of the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satsukage Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='Baltus' timestamp='1325994383' post='2895360'] Green Protection Agency and World Task Force need to have a war to find out who is the best of the best. [/quote] Please make this happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 my alliance - 10 my alliance's allies - 9 everybody else in the coalition - 8 the other coalition - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceknave Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) Elite: Umbrella, The Order Of The Paradox*, Good: Mushroom Kingdom, The Phoenix Federation***, Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism****, Nusantara Elite Warriors*, FAN***** Fair: Sparta, Viridian Entente, Fark, Ragnarok Poor: Nordreich^^, The Legion**, Mostly Harmless Alliance* No Opinion: Green Protection Agency, World Task Force, Independent Republic Of Orange Nations, Orange Defense Network, , Non Grata, Global Alliance And Treaty Organization, The Last Remnants, New Polar Order, The Democratic Order, FOK, RnR, NATO, , The Templar Knights, Valhalla, Deinos, Legacy, Argent, Multicolored Cross-X Alliance, The Foreign Division, Green Old Party, The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons, LoSS, Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics, The International, The Imperial Order, Coalition Of Royal Allied Powers Abstain: New Pacific Order (my alliance) *Never fought them, based more on what I've heard. ** Poor experiences fighting on the same side *** Ally, I greatly apprentice their willingness to fight with us against pretty much everything. **** +1 for their swarm tactics and aid boosting by Umbrella. REALLY annoying to fight them, especially in the lowest tiers. ***** Pain in the ass to fight due to all their blasted members in the lower tiers having nukes... ^^ Uh, yeah, feeding like 2 dozen NPO nations in the last war really shows a lot of skill.... Even though I have no opinion on most of my allies fighting ability, this is mostly because I find actually fighting an alliance to be a better gauge of their ability than fighting side by side.... Edited January 8, 2012 by Iceknave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1325980793' post='2895153'] BN is #1 in my heart. OMFG is #2. Argent is up to #57. :colbert: [/quote] You're too generous, King. Edited January 8, 2012 by Believland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='Shaazzam' timestamp='1325966864' post='2894995'] Top 40 AAs. Bleh. [/quote] Merge in and you move up the ranks. Just sayin' :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir pwnage Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'll just rate who I fought this war: MCXA: 5 Fought one guy. Didn't get countered. He did ok until Umbrella showed up, then just rolled over. Which reminds me... Umbrella: 9 Didn't fight them, but Daikos pretty much ended my war for me. So they're cool. PPO: 3 Fought one guy. 60k NS without pentagon/FAFB/CIA/AADN/HNMS. Sent anywhere between 5 and 10 bombers per attack. Never bought guerrilla camps. He also tried to spy away CMs once, but that was probably just a misclick. It happens. As a whole, I hear PPO did quite a bit better, but my personal experience with them was pretty embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Horror Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1325967931' post='2895017'] Excels at the diplomatic end of things...perhaps too well. Hard to gauge how good/bad MK is these days versus the incarnation that gave NPO a nuclear enema in the War of the Coalition (even as they took a pounding) or the version that fought in the Karma War. NPO is just the opposite--they were hard to gauge before Karma because they had elite/good fighting alliances surrounding them and their role focused more on logistics (aiding allied fighters) and coordination. It was later on that we got to see NPO in action in harder fights and they were exposed as being tech/military improvement/wonder light. [/quote]MK were never as good as I felt we should have been, but we were always better than anyone we fought. Our standards have also been higher than anyone we fought closely alongside, including one alliance in your top tier!! As to everyone I've ever fought against: 1. TOP 2. Avalon 3. NPO 4. TPF 5. IRON 6. NpO/MCXA 7. Rogues 8. NPL=CSN=TTK 9. GGA 10. MHA There is a huge gulf between #1 and #2, and between #2 and #2. #8 did more damage than #10, and I only fought them for 20 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [quote name='Iceknave' timestamp='1326005289' post='2895525'] Poor: Nordreich^^, The Legion**, Mostly Harmless Alliance* [/quote] Heh, no. I could go into detail as to the strengths and weaknesses of Nordreich military/econ system (our econ boys don't get enough credit mind you) but there is no way that our military could be considered poor. We take on a high damage output/receive stance in every single war. Whether that's the best strategy or not is obviously debatable but that's just how we've done it up to this point. Our military preparedness (if not the result) is easily one of the best in the game as displayed by our stellar blitz in every war we've fought. /mini rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geerland Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Elite: Umbrella, The Order Of The Paradox, Nusantara Elite Warriors, Argent Good: Non Grata, Viridian Entente, Mushroom Kingdom, The Last Remnants, FOK, Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism, New Pacific Order, The International, Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics Okay: Fark, NATO, Multicolored Cross-X Alliance, RnR, The Phoenix Federation, Independent Republic Of Orange Nations Poor: Sparta, Mostly Harmless Alliance, New Polar Order, The Legion No Opinion: World Task Force, The Democratic Order, The Templar Knights, Deinos, Legacy, The Foreign Division, The Imperial Order, Coalition Of Royal Allied Powers, N/A Orange Defense Network Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Holton Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Elite -> Great -> Good -> Decent -> ok -> bad -> terrible ----------------------------------------------> neutral -> lol Green Protection Agency - neutral World Task Force- neutral Independent Republic Of Orange Nations- Good Umbrella- Elite Orange Defense Network- decent New Pacific Order- great Mostly Harmless Alliance- poor Non Grata- great Sparta- ok Global Alliance And Treaty Organization- ok Viridian Entente- great The Order Of The Paradox- elite Mushroom Kingdom- great The Last Remnants- good New Polar Order- ok Nordreich- good The Democratic Order- lol The Legion- decent FOK-no opinion RnR- decent The Phoenix Federation- good Fark- ok NATO- decent Nusantara Elite Warriors- ub3r 1337 The Templar Knights- ok Ragnarok- ok Valhalla- decent Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism- decent (fought them in legion. didn't impress but it was at the end of that particular war) Deinos- tiny Legacy- no opinion Argent- good Multicolored Cross-X Alliance- decent The Foreign Division- ... didn't they merge? no opinion Green Old Party- Neutral The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons- good LoSS- bad Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics- no opinion The International- decent The Imperial Order- good Coalition Of Royal Allied Powers- no opinion write in option- the apparatus deserves props for how well they fought too. I'll give them a "good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceknave Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1326037335' post='2895723'] Heh, no. I could go into detail as to the strengths and weaknesses of Nordreich military/econ system (our econ boys don't get enough credit mind you) but there is no way that our military could be considered poor. We take on a high damage output/receive stance in every single war. Whether that's the best strategy or not is obviously debatable but that's just how we've done it up to this point. Our military preparedness (if not the result) is easily one of the best in the game as displayed by our stellar blitz in every war we've fought. /mini rant [/quote] That's just my opinion based on actually fighting your members in DH-NPO war. The joke was if we were low on warchest and wanted someone to hit for dough, NoR targets were on the top of the list. [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1325967931' post='2895017'] NPO is just the opposite--they were hard to gauge before Karma because they had elite/good fighting alliances surrounding them and their role focused more on logistics (aiding allied fighters) and coordination. It was later on that we got to see NPO in action in harder fights and they were exposed as being tech/military improvement/wonder light. [/quote] Karma was perhaps the toughest fight we've had to date with DH-NPO a close second. Plus, 2011 hasn't been a great year for us... 7 months out of 12, we've been at war. When you've been pounded on for long enough, it's gonna have an impact. Edited January 8, 2012 by Iceknave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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