Beefspari Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1300341376' post='2667227'] Nobody is fighting? NPO is fighting 364 wars. The fact is that DH is upset because they failed to destroy NPO's upper/middle tiers who are in peace mode due own DH's incompetence and DH is afraid of look like stupids when the war finish and NPO speedily rebuild themselves. [/quote] Scuffling a bunch of unfunded sub-20k nations is not a war. If NPO has no intention of coming out of peace mode that means all those nations will eventually grind into nothingness, with no support. Then all that will be left will be inconsequential nations, and nations in peace mode. Where NPO goes from there is anyone's guess. But I submit that actually fighting a war is better than eternity in peace mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Quinoa Rex' timestamp='1300340728' post='2667191'] I'm sure you'd squeal just as obnoxiously if we were asking traditional pecuniary reparations. I'd have thought as prolific a writer as Schattenmann would jump at the opportunity to put his pen to good use. [/quote] Yes, I would complain. The correct way to end a war, any war, is white peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 In other news, I'm guessing FAN and NoR didn't stoop down to this level of hypocrisy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 I don't really get the point of this since we already knew you wanted NPO to come out before terms but okay then. I also thought the end was really, really lame and I have no idea what any of those things have to do with you wanting us to come out of peace mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandroff Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1300341638' post='2667241'] You do realize a good majority of NPO's upper tier was in peace mode before Doomhouse + FAN declared on them, correct? [/quote] Last I checked 70(Over the entire alliance) wasn't a good majority. I'll also echo Schattenmann here. Edited March 17, 2011 by Gandroff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1300341554' post='2667235'] My good friend, have you had oral surgery recently? Please, just a friendly request to take the gauze out of your mouth. [/quote] Please, show some class. This is pretty damn disrespectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenetianBlind Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1300335014' post='2666930'] Is this a real announcement? I ask because ~~ isn't in front or behind the title of the thread. [/quote] Obviously we've been caught in our lie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) See previous edit. And post on next page. etc etc. Edited March 17, 2011 by HeroofTime55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIEIXIAIS Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Apparently [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=63887"]THIS[/url], the greatest extortion in CN history was not enough. They very reasons MK cites to justify the war are the same action MK performs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1300341743' post='2667252'] Scuffling a bunch of unfunded sub-20k nations is not a war. If NPO has no intention of coming out of peace mode that means all those nations will eventually grind into nothingness, with no support. Then all that will be left will be inconsequential nations, and nations in peace mode. Where NPO goes from there is anyone's guess. But I submit that actually fighting a war is better than eternity in peace mode. [/quote] You realize that as war carries on, top end nations that enter the war will become the lower tier. In a war like this if you sent your middle tier in, 6-7 weeks later, they will become the upper tier. This far into a war, saying x amount of "upper tier" nations means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1300341878' post='2667264'] I know that English isn't your first language, and all things considered you do speak it well, but I couldn't help but chuckle at this. I feel like a total !@#$%^& for chewing at the writing of my own damn side, but it's just too much. My sincere apologies. To both you and Moo, the latter of whom I assume is communicating via a new device where his hooves just can't seem to hit the right letters. [/quote] You're the Devil, sent to tempt me to break my own vows against forced disbandment and EZI. I shall resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' timestamp='1300341638' post='2667241'] You do realize a good majority of NPO's upper tier was in peace mode before Doomhouse + FAN declared on them, correct? [/quote] As I said: incompetence, it's only DH fault to make the preemptive strike so predictable. As your master Archon once upon a time said about TOP attack against C&G: [quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1264740549' post='2138703'] Also, your opsec sucks. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1300341819' post='2667259'] Please, show some class. This is pretty damn disrespectful. [/quote]I was hoping it wouldn't come across as such. [ooc]I am unaware of why his words are as they are, but I'm working on the assumption he is struggling with an iTouch or something. Please correct me if I am mistaken, I fear O may be out of the loop on this one.[/ooc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Isn't it obvious this is pure propaganda when they could have conducted these negotiations equally as well in an embassy or in private? But they have made this available to the whole world. It is clear they're trying to form a foundation of public support for their perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minilla Island Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1300341040' post='2667205'] NPO threatened, within the first couple of days of war, to PZI or EZI every individual nation who was in peace mode for any reason. We are saying we won't give the [i]alliance[/i] peace till they stop systematically using peace mode as a way to avoid fighting entirely as they've been doing for over a month now. Not comparable at all. Even then the intention, to keep people from using peace mode as a way to avoid war entirely, was fine then and it's fine now. [b]You realize that that concept of "bank nations" who don't fight at all is at least 3 years outdated, right?[/b] [/quote] Many Alliances still use that strategy because it is good sense to have strong nations to help in rebuilding the weak. So, is it really "outdated"? Or, is it "outdated" because it does not allow you the opportunity to attack the larger nations, which will hinder the rebuilding process. I mean, let's be honest here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The MVP Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1300341878' post='2667264'] I know that English isn't your first language, and all things considered you do speak it well, but I couldn't help but chuckle at this. I feel like a total !@#$%^& for chewing at the writing of my own damn side, but it's just too much. My sincere apologies. To both you and Moo, the latter of whom I assume is communicating via a new device where his hooves just can't seem to hit the right letters. [/quote] Great to see you making a complete and total ass of yourself. I think reps should be having HoT as an ally permanently. It's pretty damn Draconian but anything more may be much, just oh too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300341986' post='2667268'] You're the Devil, sent to tempt me to break my own vows against forced disbandment and EZI. I shall resist. [/quote] The weird part is.. he tempts me to eat him as well and he's on the same damned front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warrior Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1300341388' post='2667228'] We will fight until they come out, period. No one ever said that Karma would be the end of NPO ever having to fight a war again. For most people this war isn't about Karma. [/quote] I hope that you are sorely disappointed then. Your word isn't worth anything to Pacifica at this point. Karma was largely believed to be the war which paid the hegemony back for their tyranny, and it served it's purpose. You managed to keep the hegemonic lords locked in reparation payments for over a year and now that they have rebuilt and failed to issue an apology you have decided to strike them. If after one month of fighting, DH feels although they have not done enough damage to Pacifica, you will only continue to destroy them or impose reps again. It seems like an asinine thing to do for Pacifica to leave pm to suit your desires when there is no guarantee that your month of war is enough to end this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinoa Rex Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1300341759' post='2667253'] Yes, I would complain. The correct way to end a war, any war, is white peace. [/quote] It's completely natural for the victor to want to have something to show for their victory, and this is an effort to move away from lengthy and economically damaging terms to something a bit more lighthearted, and certainly less time-consuming. The fact that you're complaining about something that damages nothing but Schattenmann's over-inflated ego astounds me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1300341912' post='2667266'] You realize that as war carries on, top end nations that enter the war will become the lower tier. In a war like this if you sent your middle tier in, 6-7 weeks later, they will become the upper tier. This far into a war, saying x amount of "upper tier" nations means nothing. [/quote] I didn't say anything about upper tier, I was comparing unsupported nations currently engaged in full war versus nations avoiding the war in peace mode. If it's really the Hopeless Coalition's plan to come out of peace mode and do whatever it is you said, I'd like to see it. So far, their awesome "strategy" seems to be "stay in peace mode, forever." Maybe they're hoping we'll get tired and grant them white peace for being such poor sports. Edited March 17, 2011 by Beefspari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1300341040' post='2667205'] NPO threatened, within the first couple of days of war, to PZI or EZI every individual nation who was in peace mode for any reason. We are saying we won't give the [i]alliance[/i] peace till they stop systematically using peace mode as a way to avoid fighting entirely as they've been doing for over a month now. Not comparable at all. Even then the intention, to keep people from using peace mode as a way to avoid war entirely, was fine then and it's fine now. [/quote] So you'd also advocate the justness in holding an alliance in perma war if they do not comply with sending nations out of peacemode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Minilla Island' timestamp='1300342035' post='2667273'] Many Alliances still use that strategy because it is good sense to have strong nations to help in rebuilding the weak. So, is it really "outdated"? Or, is it "outdated" because it does not allow you the opportunity to attack the larger nations, which will hinder the rebuilding process. I mean, let's be honest here. [/quote] It is in fact actually outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 Honestly, I have to admit ignorance of the issue to which people are chastising HoT for as well. I am not as active as I used to be so I miss things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1300340860' post='2667196'] NPO's top 60 are not all banks. If they are, an overly generous banking policy is no excuse to dodge war. I believe we've been very explicit about what happens about after they emerge from peace mode, a notable distinction between the attempts by Pacifica to deal with the problem in the past. NPO knows the exact schedule and terms it will face upon emergence. They could probably calculate accurate predictions of damage they can incur and damage they'll take in the period. [/quote] Have they actually refused the term? That's what is confusing to me about this announcement. Most of the concerns I've seen about coming out have to do more with whether or not you can be trusted to actually stick by what you say (declaring because "everyone must die" has a tendency to make people not trust you very much). If you want them to come out, then some guarantees and assurances will have to be made. [quote name='montypython' timestamp='1300340962' post='2667202'] I think it's quite clear that I never stated that my feelings were hurt, you clearly misunderstood my statements. Provocation is quite clearly defined, but to what extent your actions constitute provocation is clearly perceived incorrectly by the vast majority of Pacificans. [/quote] No, you're incorrect! (seriously, that's about as much of a response as I can get out of this since you didn't really say anything....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1300341878' post='2667264'] I know that English isn't your first language, and all things considered you do speak it well, but I couldn't help but chuckle at this. I feel like a total !@#$%^& for chewing at the writing of my own damn side, but it's just too much. My sincere apologies. To both you and Moo, the latter of whom I assume is communicating via a new device where his hooves just can't seem to hit the right letters. [/quote] You sir are a moron. Educate yourself on what happened then come back and apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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