Gingervites Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Guys, they also canceled on Anarchy Inc...but yes GATO is pretty bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I doubt that 2007 TPF and 2013 TPF have much membership overlap. True. There are a handful of us still around, but not many. I doubt any alliance has very much of its membership around from that far back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I doubt that 2007 TPF and 2013 TPF have much membership overlap. I mean, if we're going to go all the way back to UjW to rip on TPF, may as well go back to the start and point out that TotalFark was comprised of people who abandoned FARK amid its holocaust at the hands of the Neutral Shoving GOONS. Neither is really relevant today. The point was that there was a claim that TPF are unafraid to lose a war, which dates back to 2011 at the latest. The last prolonged (at least, really prolonged) war TPF fought would be 2009. If we're doing distant history as a judgement, then they can be cowards for UjW as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol Navy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 The point was that there was a claim that TPF are unafraid to lose a war, which dates back to 2011 at the latest. The last prolonged (at least, really prolonged) war TPF fought would be 2009. If we're doing distant history as a judgement, then they can be cowards for UjW as well. Incorrect DH/NPO had TPF at war with MK, GOONS, UMB, L.O.S.T, and Athens from late January til late May 2011. Almost 5 full months. TPF even fought the additional 21 days alongside NPO when everyone peaced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMercy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 You're cute. The fact is all of our allies are treated like equals. While your comment may have held water pre-karma, it is nothing but drivel now. If you think the fact that TOP wants to come for us or some of our allies has our sphere splitting in two, you sir are dead wrong. I know I am cute. Let's not pretend you have changed. You still have the ambition to be the number one on this planet. Your "friends" are neglectable for that target to achieve (btw it's worse not better than 2007). Tell me, have you guys been happy about the US treaty? To the second part of this post: You must say this. But you can't ignore the obvious. A high valued member of TIO has exactly stated what I repeated. They won't fight for you because of your allies. I can't blame them to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) You're cute. The fact is all of our allies are treated like equals. While your comment may have held water pre-karma, it is nothing but drivel now. If you think the fact that TOP wants to come for us or some of our allies has our sphere splitting in two, you sir are dead wrong. What are you talking about? TOP has never tried to go after another alliance. It just isn't in our blood... if anything we're about as close to a neutral alliance as it gets. :ph34r: Edited September 6, 2013 by Bob Ilyani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 You're cute. The fact is all of our allies are treated like equals.Are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolutionaryRebel Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Wait, are we taking about hating TIO, or hating GATO, or TPF's long and varied history? Guys, they also canceled on Anarchy IncI guess nobody cares as much about that treaty?Makes sense considering the factors which led to cancellation, tbh. Edited September 6, 2013 by RevolutionaryRebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Havent seen TPF or AI back away from a good fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrews Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 If "they performed better than us last war" was enough to not cancel a treaty, IRON would still have every tie they did pre-Karma. Nice jab at IRON but they have been one of the consistently good warring alliances for a long time. Most people would put them in the top 5 for last war, pls try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchboy00 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) The point was that there was a claim that TPF are unafraid to lose a war, which dates back to 2011 at the latest. The last prolonged (at least, really prolonged) war TPF fought would be 2009. If we're doing distant history as a judgement, then they can be cowards for UjW as well. TPF was leaning on the side of FARK during the time it looked like NG and friends were going to be stomping XX. I think you are confused that this is a sudden change. Edited September 6, 2013 by ditchboy00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manis B Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 in before conspiracy....dammit. good luck out there TPF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Vicarious Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Always sad to see allies parting ways. Good luck to both AI and TPF in this decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Just wanted to point out how funny it is watching all of you argue. I never know what's going on in CN because everyone seems to have a different take. yet everyone is 100% right. I end up believing every post I read, so I completely change my mind about everything approximately 20 times per page. I get so confused :( Anyhow, good luck to CAT and Artificial Intelligence with the loss of your ex-friends in TPF. Remember, there are other fish in the sea, time heals all wounds, you'll find someone else, they're in a better place now, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge X Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 It's crazy that this has turned into a 3 ringed circus over us cancelling 2 treaties. In fact, treaties that we still have ties into both spheres with. Oh wait. The three ringed circus has nothing to do with our damn cancellations! It's just drama trolls rolling on through arguing with each other and showing the usual complete lack of, well, anything resembling intelligence. Thanks to our former allies for maintaining a modicum of dignity as many have tried to bait reactions out of anybody that will give them. To Neo Uruk. You should really take your head out of your @#$ a little more often to see what TPF has done, rather than to just spew those same few turds you always do and everybody is tired of. Thank you and carry on with the plan of the day. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) TPF was leaning on the side of FARK during the time it looked like NG and friends were going to be stomping XX. I think you are confused that this is a sudden change. TPF has a FARK treaty? I must have been gone too long. Hey TPF, congrats on your treaty with FARK. Edited September 6, 2013 by Omniscient1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Vicarious Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 TPF has a FARK treaty? I must have been gone too long. Hey TPF, congrats on your treaty with FARK. http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/114660-a-holiday-followup-from-your-friends-at-fark/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Red Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 All of us sitting in the shiny government offices of our alliances have a primary obligation to do what we feel is best for our alliance. I have nothing but respect for TPF, GATO and Ai and wish all three best of luck with this move. You all may now continue your speculative back and forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/114660-a-holiday-followup-from-your-friends-at-fark/ Yea man, was gone then. The treaty web in my head loses a few that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Nukem Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) I know I am cute. Let's not pretend you have changed. You still have the ambition to be the number one on this planet. Your "friends" are neglectable for that target to achieve (btw it's worse not better than 2007). Tell me, have you guys been happy about the US treaty? To the second part of this post: You must say this. But you can't ignore the obvious. A high valued member of TIO has exactly stated what I repeated. They won't fight for you because of your allies. I can't blame them to be honest. Ill answer this in full, even though regardless of my answer you will still cling to the hatred you feel for us. Do we have the ambition to be number one, yes. Doesn't every alliance have that ambition? As for our allies, they are not neglected. We have consistently worked with our allies to help them become the best they can be. We have gone to war for our allies as they have done for us. All of our treaties are based on mutual friendship and the ambition to better ourselves and our allies. In regards to US, why would we be unhappy? NATO and the NPO have been allies for a very long time, and there has been a lot of love between TIO and NPO for a while. As for R&R it is no secret that a lot of our members, myself included, like them. As for your comments on TIO, I am only aware of what our treaty says. Our treaty is MD+ so it is fair to say that as long as that treaty stands, they will defend us and we will defend them. Am I wrong?Are they? If you could understand just how much we value and respect our allies these days, you wouldn't be asking snarky questions. As I stated earlier, I think some of the treaties we held before Karma may not have been reciprocated in such great ways, but that is not the current truth. If any of our allies got hit, we damn sure would be there for them. If any of our allies were struggling in any way, we'd be there for them. Edited September 6, 2013 by Duke Nukem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 NoMercy, do not listen to Duke Nukem and keep the hate flowing. These new generation Pacificans do not know how to appreciate a good fan boy like you. I always properly enjoyed our loyal followers. This place would be nothing for me personally, without individuals like you. Go strong my friend. And in regards to US treaty and the thing you were aiming at. Yes, we were informed of concerns our leadership had with how reciprocal our treaties are with NATO and TIO due to all the legalities involved. I felt our position was fair. Latest we were informed, talks were going further and treaties remain intact. I do not know how that will all end, I just wanted to let you know that all the "drone" comments as well may be obsolete too. For future reference,...gotta get new material, refresh a bit bro. Leadership transparency maybe even too big for my taste :P It is never good to see allies parting ways, but as from all I can see it was done perfectly professional. One big hail to all alliances involved o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMercy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Ill answer this in full, even though regardless of my answer you will still cling to the hatred you feel for us. Do we have the ambition to be number one, yes. Doesn't every alliance have that ambition? As for our allies, they are not neglected. We have consistently worked with our allies to help them become the best they can be. We have gone to war for our allies as they have done for us. All of our treaties are based on mutual friendship and the ambition to better ourselves and our allies. In regards to US, why would we be unhappy? NATO and the NPO have been allies for a very long time, and there has been a lot of love between TIO and NPO for a while. As for R&R it is no secret that a lot of our members, myself included, like them. As for your comments on TIO, I am only aware of what our treaty says. Our treaty is MD+ so it is fair to say that as long as that treaty stands, they will defend us and we will defend them. Am I wrong? If you could understand just how much we value and respect our allies these days, you wouldn't be asking snarky questions. As I stated earlier, I think some of the treaties we held before Karma may not have been reciprocated in such great ways, but that is not the current truth. If any of our allies got hit, we damn sure would be there for them. If any of our allies were struggling in any way, we'd be there for them. I don't hate you at all. The opposite is the truth. Your aim is to respect and I admire your history. Do me a favor and don't belittle my post with something stupid like hate. "They hate us so they are biased" isn't the answer on everything. This is about your allies (TIO) and the allies of your allies (RnR) questioning exactly that. You help your allies because it's benefiting you. The question is how independent your allies can develop and how much you want to control them. I doubt that NPO has been overall happy about the US treaty. In the end, you can prove me wrong by throwing out "huge words" like value and respect, but your allies know the truth. And certainly you don't need to convince me, but them. And judging from this thread, they aren't convinced. And by all the love I am feeling for you, I am glad we aren't allies anyways. Just saying. Edited September 6, 2013 by NoMercy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Is this about NPO and its allies? Or is it about TIO? Wait, are we talking about CnG? Who cancelled on who again? You guys sure bring up a lot of extraneous stuff in this talk. I don't know TPF well these days, but the TPF I know wouldn't cancel a treaty to avoid a beatdown. That's not in their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Regardless of the intent, I'll hail TPF for being good folks. Sorry to see the cancellations guys, I'm sure there was good reason behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illidan Stormrage Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 While I am sure it is all very interesting this thread is on TPF's cancellation of their GATO and AI treaties, any further derailing will be warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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