Caliph Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 To you, of course. What I replied to in your post, is the notion that the re spin of that propaganda bid is used without proper knowledge of it. So smirk, smirk dey dumb. Quite the contrary. The entire notion of how it was designed is known and disregarded. You mistranslated something. Its like a tough guy with some Korean tatoo that he thinks says "tough guy" but really says "ham sandwich". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella started it is to maintain support for this war against us so you can reference Umbrella as the big bad evil that needed to get stomped out. They don't have the guts to be what they wanna be. They need people like us. They need people like us so they can point their fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So...what that make them? Good? They're not good. They just know how to hide--how to lie. DH, we don't have that problem. DH, we always tell the truth. Even when we lie. Edited February 13, 2013 by Xavii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobb Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Actually no, the act of initiating hostilites means attacking, and it was not Umbrella who engaged AI first, but rather AI who engaged Umbrella.Yeah but an attack on one is an attack on all so you guys attacked AI when you attacked Puppets. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah but an attack on one is an attack on all so you guys attacked AI when you attacked Puppets. Simple as that. The transitive property of Planet Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 the rebel, on 13 Feb 2013 - 08:30, said: pre-war promises by CnG, Intriguing......I'll have to agree with you on this matter. I'm quite interested myself in learning what kind of promises CnG had made pre-war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'll have to agree with you on this matter. I'm quite interested myself in learning what kind of promises CnG had made pre-war. TPF knows all about pre war deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 They don't have the guts to be what they wanna be. They need people like us. They need people like us so they can point their fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So...what that make them? Good? They're not good. They just know how to hide--how to lie. DH, we don't have that problem. DH, we always tell the truth. Even when we lie. At the same point, there are many, many people on your side of the war that point to NPO has the big bad evil, going way back to 3+ years ago in order to gain propaganda points. So, I would say, y'alls side knows just as easily how to hide and how to lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) Actually no, the act of initiating hostilites means attacking, and it was not Umbrella who engaged AI first, but rather AI who engaged Umbrella. The reason given for attacking Umbrella was as good as any, but at least take responsibility and say you attacked Umbrella and own up to it. Being the agressor is fine, which is what you are, just be honest with it. However the who started it doesn't really matter now that the war has kicked off. To be honest both sides wanted it to come at some point, if it hadn't kicked off when it did instead of talking about the war people would be whining that it hadn't happened yet. We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella started it is to maintain support for this war against us so you can reference Umbrella as the big bad evil that needed to get stomped out. You need us to be the villian. The truth is that nobody here is a hero standing up for the innocents, everyone is guilty in this war. Yes actually. It was Umbrella who initiated hostilities by slot filling. I'm not sure why is that hard for you to understand. You fired the first shot. You provoked and you got a response, that is the sequence of events. You accept the cause, yet not the consequence. AI did not wake up randomly one day to attack Umbrella. We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella is innocent and its actions were completely unintentional and had to do with some internal policies. Umbrella solely is guilty of bringing this war about. And truth is, it matters to you how the war started, else you would'nt bother. We dont need you to be anything you arent. We like you the way you are, never change. Edited February 14, 2013 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasuki Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Is it still possible to bring back the war strategy discussion or do we now declare this thread clinically dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 It was Umbrella who initiated hostilities by slot filling. I'm not sure why is that hard for you to understand. You fired the first shot. You provoked and you got a response, that is the sequence of events. AI did not wake up randomly one day to attack Umbrella. We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella is innocent and its actions were completely unintentional. Umbrella solely is guilty of bringing this war about. AI and company initiated hostilities by declaring war on Umbrella. We did not fire the first shot, we drew a line in the sand and you crossed it swinging. AI did not wake up randomly one day and wanted to attack Umbrella, the dislike grew and grew and grew. Nobody is trying to spin saying Umbrella is innocent. I have consistantly said this was as good a CB as any and better than a lot I've seen. However having a reason to declare war doesn't suddenly make your war a defensive one. Thats all I'm saying. Own up to this being an offensive war started by your hitting Umbrella. I'm not saying Umbrella didn't deserve it, I'm not saying "oh poor Umbrella look at all those big meanies out there breaking our crayons". I'm just saying this isn't the defensive war you're trying to spin. We drew a line in the sand, and you crossed it by punching us in the face. Hense, you started it. We egged you on, sure. The dislike was there, sure. We both have been mean mugging each other for a while now. But you can't claim that you are defending against us, especially since the very actions you are so against us doing were stricken from existence in a moment of divine glory by the almighty Admin himself. So just sit back, have a brew, realize you are the agressor in this conflict, and be fine with that. Being the agressor is nothing to be ashamed about, is not an inherintly wrong thing, and is quite fine to be in a lot of situations. Just be honest about it, without the spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 You'll (CnG) lose allies one way or another. If you decide to stick with DH after the pre-war promises, expect cancellations from non-DH allies. I'll bite. What promises? And to whom were they made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 pre-war promises by CnG, Intriguing...... lol Promises? You literally read something that someone else said, then commented on it as if it were fact?I cant speak for any other C&G members, but TLR issued no such promises, nor do I think anyone else did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsoxbronco1 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 lol Promises? You literally read something that someone else said, then commented on it as if it were fact?I cant speak for any other C&G members, but TLR issued no such promises, nor do I think anyone else did. Making promises is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crownguard Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'll bite. What promises? And to whom were they made? I'm defaulting to our viceroy. If Massa J doesn't know what promises you're talking about, then none of us poor SOBs in INT working the pixels know what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 As an uninvolved outsider to the whole thing, I thought it was some vague MK reference, tbh. It's someone on the Anti-BIBO side remembering the turtle from Umbrella propaganda and equating it with Umbrella itself, rather than utilizing critical thinking to discover that a turtle would have some other symbolic purpose in our propaganda, and this quick thinking now allows individuals from both sides of the war to smile and literally figuratively stomp the New Pacific Order every few seconds after every post. Yes actually. It was Umbrella who initiated hostilities by slot filling. I'm not sure why is that hard for you to understand. You fired the first shot. You provoked and you got a response, that is the sequence of events. You accept the cause, yet not the consequence. AI did not wake up randomly one day to attack Umbrella. We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella is innocent and its actions were completely unintentional and had to do with some internal policies. Umbrella solely is guilty of bringing this war about. And truth is, it matters to you how the war started, else you would'nt bother. We dont need you to be anything you arent. We like you the way you are, never change. Although I do enjoy a good discussion regarding AI attacking Umbrella for attacking and participating in the destruction of a rogue, it probably isn't as fun in this particular thread. ;) Now to go back on point: it sure is a good war when for once the sides disagree on who is winning, and yet I believe that both sides truly believe what they say (as opposed to some who simply say they are winning because they will last longer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Is it still possible to bring back the war strategy discussion or do we now declare this thread clinically dead? We made it to 25 pages, it was a good run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 lol Promises? You literally read something that someone else said, then commented on it as if it were fact?I cant speak for any other C&G members, but TLR issued no such promises, nor do I think anyone else did. I read and I commented showing curiosity. You got two out of three there Rush Sykes, you would of got a fullhouse if you didn't assume something in the post which wasn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tayloj7 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 noooo the secrets out, guess i have to change my signature now :P also yeah can you all go debate the partisan-y politics sides of things in another thread please, quick vasily make another post to get things back on topic :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Actually no, the act of initiating hostilites means attacking, and it was not Umbrella who engaged AI first, but rather AI who engaged Umbrella. The reason given for attacking Umbrella was as good as any, but at least take responsibility and say you attacked Umbrella and own up to it. Being the agressor is fine, which is what you are, just be honest with it. However the who started it doesn't really matter now that the war has kicked off. To be honest both sides wanted it to come at some point, if it hadn't kicked off when it did instead of talking about the war people would be whining that it hadn't happened yet. We both know this spin on trying to say Umbrella started it is to maintain support for this war against us so you can reference Umbrella as the big bad evil that needed to get stomped out. You need us to be the villian. The truth is that nobody here is a hero standing up for the innocents, everyone is guilty in this war. AI and company initiated hostilities by declaring war on Umbrella. We did not fire the first shot, we drew a line in the sand and you crossed it swinging. AI did not wake up randomly one day and wanted to attack Umbrella, the dislike grew and grew and grew. Nobody is trying to spin saying Umbrella is innocent. I have consistantly said this was as good a CB as any and better than a lot I've seen. However having a reason to declare war doesn't suddenly make your war a defensive one. Thats all I'm saying. Own up to this being an offensive war started by your hitting Umbrella. I'm not saying Umbrella didn't deserve it, I'm not saying "oh poor Umbrella look at all those big meanies out there breaking our crayons". I'm just saying this isn't the defensive war you're trying to spin. We drew a line in the sand, and you crossed it by punching us in the face. Hense, you started it. We egged you on, sure. The dislike was there, sure. We both have been mean mugging each other for a while now. But you can't claim that you are defending against us, especially since the very actions you are so against us doing were stricken from existence in a moment of divine glory by the almighty Admin himself. So just sit back, have a brew, realize you are the agressor in this conflict, and be fine with that. Being the agressor is nothing to be ashamed about, is not an inherintly wrong thing, and is quite fine to be in a lot of situations. Just be honest about it, without the spin. Its fun seeing Umbrella/DH/friends using the same arguments Kaskus is. Between this and the whole 'nuke turrets' stuff. lol Promises? You literally read something that someone else said, then commented on it as if it were fact?I cant speak for any other C&G members, but TLR issued no such promises, nor do I think anyone else did. From what I heard GATO did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Its fun seeing Umbrella/DH/friends using the same arguments Kaskus is. Between this and the whole 'nuke turrets' stuff. From what I heard GATO did. GATO has no DH treaties to cancel nor they can speak for the rest of us. Regardless, I highly doubt that GATO made any such promises so it's all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) God this is amazing, TPF at it's finest. 1. Ignore defense treaties with allies GATO and InT, to bandwaggon on TOP. 2. Threaten to drop treaties with said allies if they do not do drop treaties. We have no DH ties to drop. So I guess we're golden? @JGoods...I know right? What would be the point? Our ties are mostly Pacifica sphere after CnG. Not a single DH treaty ever conceived as far as I know.... I mean I guess we could have promised to drop all our DH treaties after the war.....in that case why wait? We already made good. Edited February 14, 2013 by magicninja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Back to the stats, people. Seriously. Or I'll get sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Back to the stats, people. Seriously. Or I'll get sarcastic.THINK OF CHILDREN EVERYONE! Don't let this monstrosity happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Wars are won when one side is tired of its situation. It doesn't matter if it's upper or lower tier. If your side's middle to lower grows tired of not being able to grow past 80k NS, we might win (not to mention a handful of your higher end nations in permanent PM). And the opposite holds true: if our side grows tired of getting beat down in the lower NS, you might win (not to mention many nations in PM). A stalemate could happen, where we slowly slip in a situation similar to IRON-Gräms, but coalition-wide. I think cooler heads will prevail and a peace will be reached that day. It makes no sense to keep the entire planet in a protracted war for a year. It makes perfect sense to me to keep you and your allies on the ropes as long as it takes to force a resolution suitably favourable to the aggrieved party, AI. The longer this takes the better. A year? Short time, my friend, short time. A year is nothing. If you arent ready to drag this out twice that long you might as well just surrender now and throw yourselves on the mercy of TronIX. No one cares about collecting taxes and growing steadily when they could be nuking bad guys instead and that is just a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulgrim Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Sounds magic to me bonny lad; its not like this "game" is any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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