Imperial Announcement from the Global Order of Darkness

[Elorian]

Congratulations! I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

I'll have to visit, methinks. Bring cupcakes or rum. *wanders off muttering*

[Phaedron]

I feel like NPL gets two treaties for every one of ours. This will not stand, I tell you!

Grats folks.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Phaedron

[KenoCore]

O/ NPL <3

@GOD You got yourself a fine ally treat them good :3

Edited April 16, 2012 by KenoCore

[Lord Caparo]

inbefore acceptance to SF

[Garion]

Ewww... First CSN, then GOD? You fail hard, NPL. Very hard.

[Sarmatian Empire]

I also fall into the cat of I thought this happened already. I keep thinking GOD had the treaty and RIA didnt.

Cant quite understand the anger at Bob's post. Most people are generally surprised when friends turn to enemies and then friends again.

[Kyriakos Raanb Dorou]

Notice of congratuities.

[NationRuler]

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1334548800' post='2954053']
No flags? No treaty. Gtfo.

o/NPL
[/quote]

I'm on it

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[Monster]

[quote name='Balder' timestamp='1334556468' post='2954160']
Bob, normally I let you skate by with obviously inflammatory and obnoxiously stupid jabs at my alliance and my allies because of our relationship in the past, however I'm pretty !@#$@#$ tired of it now. You're going to honestly start opening your mouth about Superfriends treating RoK like a prisoner or a subservient figure in SF, like we dragged them along against their will? I'm calling !@#$%^&* on you, right now. I've been proud to call myself a member of SF since the Titans were founded in 2008 and I can damn well assure you that from that point up until the governments of Tautology/KaitlinK, Ragnarok was still one of the leading voices of the bloc. Maybe you're bitter because of how horribly your plot to jump ship to the other side ended up failing for you. Maybe you're upset that the Ragnarok under Adel, without you, is still moving forward and keeping on. That doesn't change the fact that Ragnarok up until the time it left the bloc was just as valued as the other members. Ragnarok wasn't a prisoner, there is no Stockholm Syndrome and you can blame as much as you want on whoever you want to but when it comes down to it; the facts are out there, and they don't support your little stabs. I'm done of sticking up for you and I'm done rationalizing your lies.



I think we all kind of felt that way . Glad to sign this treaty with you folks, you've more than earned my respect and trust over these months and I'm proud to call you an ally.

Here's to the future guys;
o/ NPL
o/ GOD
[/quote]

How did it blow up in Bob's face really? He's already Heptagon. I mean, anyone whose resourceful can make it. He is resourceful. I mean, what it did hurt was the potential for RoK being more secure and being a real political player. The whole MK thing did that. He made mistakes in the last month or so of his time in RoK, but he knew what he was doing before that, which is why I've continued to praise him despite him being an unpopular figure in some circles. I'm not sure what his issues with GOD, to be honest, however.


RoK is still in a vastly weakened position with only two allies.


I agree with the rest of your post, however, and Ragnarok under Tautology did not realize the political realities and it ended up with Kait being Empresss and she was hardly any better. Where Taut was inactive, Kait was destructively active.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Roquentin

[EgoFreaky]

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1334575818' post='2954213']

Cant quite understand the anger at Bob's post. Most people are generally surprised when friends turn to enemies and then friends again.
[/quote]

I don't recall SF alliances ever seeing NPL as the enemy.. The anger is likely more because SF had RoK's back every step of the way up to the point that their government screwed up and expected every SF alliance to break treaties and promises to follow them on a path they didn't even made clear they were going to take and Bob now trying to make it sound as if SF had Rok oppressed and enslaved.

NPL on the other hand left RoK around that time somewhere and has never given any SF alliance a reason to hate them.


Anyway, congrats to our friends in GOD and NPL

[Monster]

[quote name='EgoFreaky' timestamp='1334577997' post='2954223']
I don't recall SF alliances ever seeing NPL as the enemy.. The anger is likely more because SF had RoK's back every step of the way up to the point that their government screwed up and expected every SF alliance to break treaties and promises to follow them on a path they didn't even made clear they were going to take and Bob now trying to make it sound as if SF had Rok oppressed and enslaved.

NPL on the other hand left RoK around that time somewhere and has never given any SF alliance a reason to hate them.


Anyway, congrats to our friends in GOD and NPL
[/quote]

Yeah, I'll agree with this, because RoK was more or less inert politically until Polar was declared on. They knew it would happen eventually.

[King Wally]

[quote name='NationRuler' timestamp='1334577075' post='2954217']
I'm on it

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[IMG]http://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/theottoshow6.png[/IMG]

What happened to you NR.. you used to be about the music... now its all about the stats... youve changed man

[Sardonic]

Why don't you just join SF already? Srsly.

[Wu Tang Clan]

[quote name='Balder' timestamp='1334556468' post='2954160']
Bob, normally I let you skate by with obviously inflammatory and obnoxiously stupid jabs at my alliance and my allies because of our relationship in the past, however I'm pretty !@#$@#$ tired of it now. You're going to honestly start opening your mouth about Superfriends treating RoK like a prisoner or a subservient figure in SF, like we dragged them along against their will? I'm calling !@#$%^&* on you, right now. I've been proud to call myself a member of SF since the Titans were founded in 2008 and I can damn well assure you that from that point up until the governments of Tautology/KaitlinK, Ragnarok was still one of the leading voices of the bloc. Maybe you're bitter because of how horribly your plot to jump ship to the other side ended up failing for you. [b]Maybe you're upset that the Ragnarok under Adel, without you, is still moving forward and keeping on.[/b] That doesn't change the fact that Ragnarok up until the time it left the bloc was just as valued as the other members. Ragnarok wasn't a prisoner, there is no Stockholm Syndrome and you can blame as much as you want on whoever you want to but when it comes down to it; the facts are out there, and they don't support your little stabs. I'm done of sticking up for you and I'm done rationalizing your lies.
[/quote]

Ragnarok is moving forward? Fooled me.

[Rodger Waldie]

congradz to our friends in NPL ...

[keeology]

congrats guys

[smurthwaite]

I fully endorse the awesomeness of this relationship.

Also, thanks to those who don't know us but don't like us. You give us something to strive towards.

[supercoolyellow]

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1334580644' post='2954234']
Ragnarok is moving forward? Fooled me.
[/quote]

I assume he means since the drama that happened a few months ago.

[Xiphosis]

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1334575818' post='2954213']
I also fall into the cat of I thought this happened already. I keep thinking GOD had the treaty and RIA didnt.
[/quote]

Yeah. Not even going to lie, I didn't know until Kem brought it up. The whole NPL-GOD dynamic has been at that level practically since we started talking, so I figured I'd just overlooked something in copying it to our treaty books.

[Ayatollah Bromeini]

[quote name='Garion' timestamp='1334575755' post='2954212']
Ewww... First CSN, then GOD? You fail hard, NPL. Very hard.


[/quote]

Could have been worse. They could have treatied that horrible R&R alliance. They're the the worst.

[Balder]

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1334577778' post='2954221']
How did it blow up in Bob's face really? He's already Heptagon. I mean, anyone whose resourceful can make it. He is resourceful. I mean, what it did hurt was the potential for RoK being more secure and being a real political player. The whole MK thing did that. He made mistakes in the last month or so of his time in RoK, but he knew what he was doing before that, which is why I've continued to praise him despite him being an unpopular figure in some circles. I'm not sure what his issues with GOD, to be honest, however.


RoK is still in a vastly weakened position with only two allies.
[/quote]

Roquentin, I don't think anyone (including Bob himself) would argue that his plans to jump Ragnarok from SF to Mj worked out for ANYONE be it himself or Ragnarok. He destroyed most of his credibility as a leader and a political figure. I've got no beef whatsoever with Paradox, and I hope they're happy with their decision to put more faith into him. Still, this was not his plan and it should be noted as such.

Also, I'd have to strongly disagree with your assertion that anyone can be successful in Bob through resourcefulness alone. If we take a look at some of the personalities and individuals which have led alliances either to sanction or prominence in Cybernations (Terry Howard, Ramirus Maximus, Ephriam Grey and Sardonic come to mind offhand) it becomes pretty clear that there's quite a few other factors involved. Luck, lying and backstabbing can be just as useful as resourcefulness and I'd argue that Ilyani's benefitted from those more than resourcefulness.

You cite MK for the things that have happened to RoK, and I'd love to agree but that too isn't correct. HE hurt RoK's potential, and HE hurt RoK's security through his actions and the decisions he made not only as Emperor but as a member of Ragnarok's High Council.

[Monster]

[quote name='Balder' timestamp='1334602255' post='2954365']
Roquentin, I don't think anyone (including Bob himself) would argue that his plans to jump Ragnarok from SF to Mj worked out for ANYONE be it himself or Ragnarok. He destroyed most of his credibility as a leader and a political figure. I've got no beef whatsoever with Paradox, and I hope they're happy with their decision to put more faith into him. Still, this was not his plan and it should be noted as such.

Also, I'd have to strongly disagree with your assertion that anyone can be successful in Bob through resourcefulness alone. If we take a look at some of the personalities and individuals which have led alliances either to sanction or prominence in Cybernations (Terry Howard, Ramirus Maximus, Ephriam Grey and Sardonic come to mind offhand) it becomes pretty clear that there's quite a few other factors involved. Luck, lying and backstabbing can be just as useful as resourcefulness and I'd argue that Ilyani's benefitted from those more than resourcefulness.

You cite MK for the things that have happened to RoK, and I'd love to agree but that too isn't correct. HE hurt RoK's potential, and HE hurt RoK's security through his actions and the decisions he made not only as Emperor but as a member of Ragnarok's High Council.
[/quote]

Not exactly what I was referring to, I meant he was ambitious and had plans for securing RoK's position after the last war. I don't know the details of why RoK was so eager to leave SF and roll SF, but they still had a target on their back regardless and he knew what to do to solve that issue.

Not just resourcefulness, but he has connections and he doesn't really lie.

I mean in recent times. The whole episode where there was complicity by certain RoK gov, especially him and Joe in the Hoo-Kait thing spelled the end for internal unity in RoK, leading to the coup.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Roquentin

[Melancholy Culkin]

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1334580644' post='2954234']
Ragnarok is moving forward? Fooled me.
[/quote]

I think by moving forward he means
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......they aren't actively ridiculed at every turn.

[KemMo]

[quote name='NationRuler' timestamp='1334577075' post='2954217']
I'm on it

[IMG]http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz360/rsemar/NPL.png[/IMG]
[/quote]



Two points need to be made.

1. We're still getting back on our feet from the ass whooping that was the DH war.
2. Our focus is getting new members nukes. Admittedly, many of them are not dedicated enough to follow our programs to the T.

I don't even know why I'm entertaining you.

[Buds The Man]

[quote name='Balder' timestamp='1334602255' post='2954365']
Roquentin, I don't think anyone (including Bob himself) would argue that his plans to jump Ragnarok from SF to Mj worked out for ANYONE be it himself or Ragnarok. He destroyed most of his credibility as a leader and a political figure. I've got no beef whatsoever with Paradox, and I hope they're happy with their decision to put more faith into him. Still, this was not his plan and it should be noted as such.

Also, I'd have to strongly disagree with your assertion that anyone can be successful in Bob through resourcefulness alone. If we take a look at some of the personalities and individuals which have led alliances either to sanction or prominence in Cybernations (Terry Howard, Ramirus Maximus, Ephriam Grey and Sardonic come to mind offhand) it becomes pretty clear that there's quite a few other factors involved. Luck, lying and backstabbing can be just as useful as resourcefulness and I'd argue that Ilyani's benefitted from those more than resourcefulness.

You cite MK for the things that have happened to RoK, and I'd love to agree but that too isn't correct. HE hurt RoK's potential, and HE hurt RoK's security through his actions and the decisions he made not only as Emperor but as a member of Ragnarok's High Council.
[/quote]
Just to clear things up Kait was just as important to the MJ signing as she was there when the ground work was laid. Not all of RoKs problems lay at Bobs feet.