Farnsworth Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 "We recognize that our efforts of reconciliation were for not." ...were for not what? OOHH, did you mean naught? lol, sorry, could not resist. This is quite a situation. Spying is not cool but neither is rushing to war if your opponent is genuinely open to reasonable diplomacy. Hmm... who to believe...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Farnsworth' timestamp='1317699105' post='2815464'] This is quite a situation. Spying is not cool but neither is rushing to war if your opponent is genuinely open to reasonable diplomacy. Hmm... who to believe...? [/quote] I had heard about an apology that was supposed to be forthcoming many days ago, and it appears that didn't happen. You would think if someone was redeeming themselves, they'd be bending over backward to get that done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingervites Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Come on Tetris own Legion. o/ Tetris o/ Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1317698737' post='2815453'] Man, I don't know what we did to you, but you sure do love to hate. [img]http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/039/080/original/5008_9c00_420.gif[/img] [/quote] It was more so an Obligatory thing. Regardless, I could look at past events that indirectly and directly involve us and easily point out why I detest Polar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1317698405' post='2815449'] I love how people keep harping on the fact (yes it is a fact) that Tetris government supported Hereno's posting of screenshots on OWF. What they don't mention is by our government, they mean Pollard, the same individual who was kicked out of his job, barred from government, and left the alliance. Pollard =/= government support, hence why we had a Vote of No Confidence and removed him from power (this isn't exactly easy to do btw). Logan already mentioned he worked to make amends with Legion. Ignoring certain aspects of a debate hurts your argument. EDIT: Those thinking we had outside coercion, you are wrong. Seriously, we did it because it was necessary, and had nothing to do with any outside pressure. [/quote] You supported it as well. You aren't Government? http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=20&p=2808026&#entry2808026 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1317698405' post='2815449'] I love how people keep harping on the fact (yes it is a fact) that Tetris government supported Hereno's posting of screenshots on OWF. What they don't mention is by our government, they mean Pollard, the same individual who was kicked out of his job, barred from government, and left the alliance.[/quote] So [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=0&p=2807885&#entry2807885]this post[/url] of support by your current Programmer of Components, [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=20&p=2808026&#entry2808026]this one[/url] by you, and [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=120&p=2808454&#entry2808454]this one[/url], again by your Programmer of Components, which posts another spy attack on Legion don't constitute support of your actions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Thrash' timestamp='1317698841' post='2815454'] You are correct, it's not the same. But, by posting screenshots, you have exposed that information to the general public who wouldn't have seen them had you not done it. [/quote] Yes, but going around sharing them with all of your contacts or 'friends' is doing essentially the same thing; showing information to people who wouldn't have otherwise seen them. Not really a big difference besides the number of people shown. I'm not saying what Hereno and Pollard did was somehow good, or moral, because its not a nice thing to do. But we are not guilty of the crime of spying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiar Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Ridin High' timestamp='1317700229' post='2815496'] Yes, but going around sharing them with all of your contacts or 'friends' is doing essentially the same thing; showing information to people who wouldn't have otherwise seen them. Not really a big difference besides the number of people shown. I'm not saying what Hereno and Pollard did was somehow good, or moral, because its not a nice thing to do. But we are not guilty of the crime of spying. [/quote] Legion has rendered the verdict: Guilty. It appears you are unable to change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1317700218' post='2815495'] So [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=0&p=2807885&#entry2807885]this post[/url] of support by your current Programmer of Components, [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=20&p=2808026&#entry2808026]this one[/url] by you, and [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=120&p=2808454&#entry2808454]this one[/url], again by your Programmer of Components, which posts another spy attack on Legion don't constitute support of your actions? [/quote] I'm pretty sure it's possible to think something is funny without wanting the people making the announcement to be in your own alliance. What would you have them do, publicly berate their colleague(s)? Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1317698015' post='2815440']I'm not familiar with all of the details, but I can confidently say that no one on our side actually expected Legion to "do something about it," as it were. The actions undertaken by Tetris, therefore, were of their own volition and, at least in their mind, not done under the usual sort of duress that is normally needed to induce any sort of corrective behavior. [/quote] Let me get this straight, you're arguing that because no one in NSO or Tetris actually expected Legion to take military action in spite of the fact that most alliances would if subjected to the same behavior, Legion is somehow at fault for taking military action and surprising you? LOL! Well, surprise surprise. Guess they called your bluff. More power to them in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 You can't un-open Pandora's Box (alliance pun not intended). What's done is done, and you took way too long to address it, now you're paying for what you did. I have no problem with a big alliance squashing the equivalent of annoying little gnats buzzing around their ears. All you've done is annoy them and attempt to provoke them, and you've done it, bravo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1317700967' post='2815512'] What would you have them do, publicly berate their colleague(s)? Give me a break. [/quote] Yeah, I think I would publicly berate my colleagues if they were posting spied information. And, then I'd drop them on their ass. Edited October 4, 2011 by Thrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1317700218' post='2815495'] So [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=0&p=2807885&#entry2807885]this post[/url] of support by your current Programmer of Components, [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=20&p=2808026&#entry2808026]this one[/url] by you, and [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&st=120&p=2808454&#entry2808454]this one[/url], again by your Programmer of Components, which posts another spy attack on Legion don't constitute support of your actions? [/quote] Okay, first, off I'll point out the Programmer of Components didn't exist at that point so that's slightly irrelevant. But you know what, yeah it was pretty funny at first, but there comes a point when you realize something isn't a good idea. I'll be straight up with you, cuz that's the kind of guy I am. My initial reaction was "yeah, that was awesome!", but after thinking about it, it was such a great idea. You'd notice that in the thread Pollard posted accepting Legion's surrender, I voiced a pretty good amount of distaste for it and went so far as agreeing with Hiro. If you don't know anything about me, know this, I don't agree with Hiro, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1317700967' post='2815512'] I'm pretty sure it's possible to think something is funny without wanting the people making the announcement to be in your own alliance. What would you have them do, publicly berate their colleague(s)? Give me a break. [/quote] I would have them be honest. They supported it to begin with, so now Tetris is just straight up lying when you say you didn't support it. No need for public berating, but a little consistency would not be the end of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerolocutus Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) I wonder if NSO is [b]actually[/b] going to declare on Legion, or will just continue attacking without declaring in support of tetris: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=New%20Sith%20Order&anyallexact=exact 11 wars as of 11:11pm game time and no declaration yet... sigh. Edited October 4, 2011 by nerolocutus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiar Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='nerolocutus' timestamp='1317701518' post='2815533'] I wonder if NSO is actually going to declare on Legion, or will just attack without declaring in support of tetris: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=New%20Sith%20Order&anyallexact=exact 11 wars and no declaration yet... sigh. [/quote] NSO should be embarassed. Premature eh... It's really no big deal whether they officially declare or not. Bubba has made it clear that they would honor the treaty with Tetris and that there is no clause that would give NSO an out. Let's hope for a nice long war; at least one round would be good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Ridin High, My understanding of spying is obtaining private material from one party and disseminate the sensitive material to its party. I believe that was what Hereno did or someone associated with Tetris. Tell me if I'm wrong, thanks. Good luck with the war, buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wes the wise Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Don't blame Legion for this, Blame yourselves. Hereno and Polly asked for this. Practically begged for it. You have awoken the sleeping giant, now it wants to dance with you. The best you can do now is cower in the corner and try to think of a happy place. Best of luck to you guys in the war. Have fun and be careful who you let in gov next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1317701761' post='2815543'] NSO should be embarassed. [b]Premature eh...[/b] [/quote] Story of Heft's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='nerolocutus' timestamp='1317701518' post='2815533'] I wonder if NSO is [b]actually[/b] going to declare on Legion, or will just continue attacking without declaring in support of tetris: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?searchstring=Declaring_Alliance%2CReceiving_Alliance&search=New%20Sith%20Order&anyallexact=exact 11 wars as of 11:11pm game time and no declaration yet... sigh. [/quote] That's plenty normal. Also to the Polar naysayers in this thread - you're all out of practice. It's sad to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Bromeini Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 As a close personal friend of Tetris, they have my support in this all the way. Kick some ass, fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicninja Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 stupidity by tetris sure but severe overreaction by Legion. No doubt caused by the questioning of their spine. I guess if Hereno is guilty then so is SethB and Dojobo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 One change in administration and suddenly you're absolved for what your alliance did just the previous week? That's a new one. And all this time the rest of us were looking at expulsions, reps and apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1317701247' post='2815524'] I would have them be honest. They supported it to begin with, so now Tetris is just straight up lying when you say you didn't support it. No need for public berating, but a little consistency would not be the end of you. [/quote] You will find no record of me supporting it, and as far as my alliance goes my word is law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiar Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ridin High' timestamp='1317703434' post='2815661'] You will find no record of me supporting it, and as far as my alliance goes my word is law. [/quote] Your alliance will probably be under 20 members when Legion is done with you. No one will care about your law. Edited October 4, 2011 by Jaiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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