IYIyTh Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Systemfailure' timestamp='1317691110' post='2815227'] the OP seems to refer that tetris offered the olive branch and tried to make amends... im glad they didnt succeed but still i think they did a little more then just reshuffle their govt [/quote] I'm skeptical of that considering evidence has been provided that suggests Tetris did quite the opposite, at least initially. It is certain that Tetris did willingfully distribute private information from Legion's forums. Evidence provided shows Tetris' initial reaction was one that was totally behind the perpetrator in this instance, with little indication that future communication on the matter would be nothing more than mere farce. Am I to believe they might regret their actions now? Some might even be happy to get what they wanted in goading The Legion? Perhaps, but that's speculative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltus Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Go get 'em, Tetris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1317691733' post='2815253'] I'm skeptical of that considering evidence has been provided that suggests Tetris did quite the opposite, at least initially. It is certain that Tetris did willingfully distribute private information from Legion's forums. Evidence provided shows Tetris' initial reaction was one that was totally behind the perpetrator in this instance, with little indication that future communication on the matter would be nothing more than mere farce. Am I to believe they might regret their actions now? Some might even be happy to get what they wanted in goading The Legion? Perhaps, but that's speculative. [/quote] can you link me to any evidence? i havent seen anything except for what Legion has said in their DoW, as it stands its a case of he said she said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Good luck convincing people that you are the poor victims, you'll need that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Systemfailure Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1317691963' post='2815262'] Good luck convincing people that you are the poor victims, you'll need that. [/quote] i think the past few Legion threads will make it easier for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Melancholy Culkin' timestamp='1317690903' post='2815216'] The fact that you are essentially in charge of IAA says so much. [/quote] Hey it can't be that bad. I was once the highest ranking active gov member of IAA. I promise JW > Omni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1317691733' post='2815253'] I'm skeptical of that considering evidence has been provided that suggests Tetris did quite the opposite, at least initially. It is certain that Tetris did willingfully distribute private information from Legion's forums. Evidence provided shows Tetris' initial reaction was one that was totally behind the perpetrator in this instance, with little indication that future communication on the matter would be nothing more than mere farce. Am I to believe they might regret their actions now? Some might even be happy to get what they wanted in goading The Legion? Perhaps, but that's speculative. [/quote] Before you go off trying to make a case for Legion's innocence you should know that we did much more than "reshuffle government." A vote of no confidence on your leader after publicly humiliating your alliance should be the first inclination that we were sorry about what happened. Our PoFM had also elected to step down from his post. Then I went to Legion and apologized to at least two members, one being Totem himself. I also said I would personally investigate where the screenshots were from. I guess they decided they didn't really care and attacked without asking me what I had found out, only like what? One or two days after I told them it would never happen again. Oh yeah I also said I would apologize to their entire alliance on their board. Well Legion, I am ending my investigation and all previous offers are off the table. Apparently you would rather defend your honor than do some diplomacy and work with a government who has a completely different opinion of the previous administrations actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Systemfailure' timestamp='1317691927' post='2815260'] can you link me to any evidence? i havent seen anything except for what Legion has said in their DoW, as it stands its a case of he said she said [/quote] The evidence is currently located in numerous places. The thread where it occurred, the thread where government members of Tetris agree that it occurred in saying that they took steps (which at this time would seem to be mixed signal steps, first stating Tetris was fully behind the perpetrator,) as well this thread which indicates that despite attempting to make ammends after the old government stated it was entirely behind the perpetrator The Legion by some miracle might have had reason to doubt it. People have since tried to counter said argument by saying the quality of information dispersed is of relevance, but I disagree, as would nearly all alliances in the words of those who have supported The Legion's actions from both ends of every which place on this planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1317690330' post='2815193'] You are a terrible alliance and should disband. [/quote] You know, this line really isn't that funny, despite the number of times you've used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Since when does resigning a few days before, leave an alliance unaccountable for what their leaders do? How many TOP members are saying "Gee, AMG is no longer emperor, so I'll put my grudge asside."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ridin High' timestamp='1317692192' post='2815271'] Before you go off trying to make a case for Legion's innocence you should know that we did much more than "reshuffle government." A vote of no confidence on your leader after publicly humiliating your alliance should be the first inclination that we were sorry about what happened. Our PoFM had also elected to step down from his post. Then I went to Legion and apologized to at least two members, one being Totem himself. I also said I would personally investigate where the screenshots were from. I guess they decided they didn't really care and attacked without asking me what I had found out, only like what? One or two days after I told them it would never happen again. Oh yeah I also said I would apologize to their entire alliance on their board. Well Legion, I am ending my investigation and all previous offers are off the table. Apparently you would rather defend your honor than do some diplomacy and work with a government who has a completely different opinion of the previous administrations actions. [/quote] Forgive me, but an argument that your past (see: within a week,) transgressions should be forgiven after your government firmly stated it was behind the actions of the individual is lacking. While your efforts to remove these individuals are commendable, your word in this instance that you would cease your previously hostile actions towards another alliance would appear to be on somewhat shaky ground. That all should be forgiven when apparently little action against the individual who committed the transgression is evidence enough. You state yourself that he merely stepped down after committing a transgression that indeed as echoed by many in this cyberverse would constitute as an act of war against an alliance. Edited October 4, 2011 by IYIyTh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacapo Saladin Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1317692661' post='2815283'] You know, this line really isn't that funny, despite the number of times you've used it. [/quote] The level of humor intended in my post was 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1317692788' post='2815289'] The level of humor intended in my post was 0. [/quote] Oh. Forgive me then, that was my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I am Billy Mays, and I approve of this message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick87 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1317692788' post='2815289'] The level of humor intended in my post was 0. [/quote] Lol. wait... thur opposta be humor in dis onez? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 Being little !@#$ heads hasn't gotten you far at all these past few months. Don't bite off more than you can chew next time. Take your beating or dish one out yourselves. Thanks for letting us know you have been attacked though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 As honorary first person to have an embassy on Tetris' forums: kick some ass guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Blake Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1317690281' post='2815191'] Kick some Legion ass Tetris o/ [/quote] I'm sure they will, and by "they" of course I mean all the alliances they bring in to bail them out. Pathetic as always, tetris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted October 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1317692758' post='2815287'] Forgive me, but an argument that your past (see: within a week,) transgressions should be forgiven after your government firmly stated it was behind the actions of the individual is lacking. While your efforts to remove these individuals are commendable, your word in this instance that you would cease your previously hostile actions towards another alliance would appear to be on somewhat shaky ground. That all should be forgiven when apparently little action against the individual who committed the transgression is evidence enough. You state yourself that he merely stepped down after committing a transgression that indeed as echoed by many in this cyberverse would constitute as an act of war against an alliance. [/quote] So I was basically doing everything right, except they couldn't take me at my word? Anyways, yes transgressions were committed, but they are nothing worse than the crimes committed by many, even some who may have already posted in this thread do under the guise of pseudo-anonymity. I guess what we are debating is that you are claiming that spreading around screenshots taken by an unknown source is grounds for war. Because we certainly didn't spy, and to my best knowledge no one knows who the spy is. Now, I hope that you haven't ever spread around logs or screenshots of private conversations, because your logic follows that those actions are also acts of war. The only thing that separates those two scenarios is giving them to contacts and posting them for the world. Do I believe that our alliance should try to make amends with Legion? Yes, and that's exactly what I tried to do. Is posting screenshots given to you from other people an act of war? Absolutely not. A crappy thing to do? Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 At least Tetris gets the attention they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 While Tetris did provoke Legion, there are two key differences between this and many other similar situations: 1) Tetris actually took serious steps on their own to redress the situation, both by punishing those responsible and by attempting to cooperate with Legion. 2) Legion declared war anyway. Odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomInterrupt Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1317694011' post='2815334'] While Tetris did provoke Legion, there are two key differences between this and many other similar situations: 1) Tetris actually took serious steps on their own to redress the situation, both by punishing those responsible and by attempting to cooperate with Legion. 2) Legion declared war anyway. Odd. [/quote] I guess they didn't do enough? Or it was insincere? Regardless, I don't think you have much to work with here, Heft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1317693896' post='2815330'] At least Tetris gets the attention they want. [/quote] I don't think they intended it to turn out this way though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixoux Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 You've successfully managed to make people root for Legion. Barring all else, that's certainly something to remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaric Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 sorry if i'm slow - i normally don't sit with the 'cool' kids in the cafeteria... but, a. what information was gleaned (in general)? b. how did you deal with the perpetrator/spy? thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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