Dochartaigh Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='NationRuler' timestamp='1317771845' post='2816493'] Fun fact: The Legion has 5 more nukes than Umbrella. I think it's fair to say that we would stand no chance against them since they would get to hit the nuke button 5 more times [/quote] You do realize there is a huge difference between 5 and 1000... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1317772007' post='2816494'] You do realize there is a huge difference between 5 and 1000... [/quote] It would only really matter if they could actually launch all those extra nukes at once. Having more nukes to start with only really helps in the sense that you shouldn't run out of them as easily, but as long as we have decent warchests that's still only a marginal benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feuersturm Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Wait, this cannot been. I don't think I've seen a valid CB in...jeeze, long time. Go get 'em Legion! o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Feuersturm' timestamp='1317779010' post='2816539'] Wait, this cannot been. I don't think I've seen a valid CB in...jeeze, long time. Go get 'em Legion! o/ [/quote] By a long time you mean last week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbies0310 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Sick flag. Good luck. Bout time you did this imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1317779296' post='2816544'] By a long time you mean last week? [/quote] Perhaps he meant he has not seen 2 in row in... well ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1317782200' post='2816568'] Perhaps he meant he has not seen 2 in row in... well ever? [/quote] That would be a statement I could get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1317772345' post='2816496'] It would only really matter if they could actually launch all those extra nukes at once. Having more nukes to start with only really helps in the sense that you shouldn't run out of them as easily, but as long as we have decent warchests that's still only a marginal benefit. [/quote] It would also help to ensure that ya'll stay in anarchy and are incapable of launching offensive wars which means that ya'll would most likely continue to be on the receiving end of down declares. The extra damage that nukes deal, particularly to tech, is also helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1317772007' post='2816494'] You do realize there is a huge difference between 5 and 1000... [/quote] thing is, you think this will stay only NSO/Tetris and Legion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1317782773' post='2816573'] It would also help to ensure that ya'll stay in anarchy and are incapable of launching offensive wars which means that ya'll would most likely continue to be on the receiving end of down declares. The extra damage that nukes deal, particularly to tech, is also helpful. [/quote] Those are advantages of using more nukes, not simply having more nukes. Having more is an advantage, but not nearly as significant as it would sound. The biggest advantage is that we might have to spend more money to keep up the pace of full nuclear war with an opponent that 1) has more nukes and 2) doesn't need to launch as many as we do to achieve maximum coverage. But warchests mitigate that advantage. Legion has a lot of numerical/statistical advantages over us and Tetris, the total nuke count disparity isn't even at the top of the list in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol Navy Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1317783225' post='2816578'] Those are advantages of using more nukes, not simply having more nukes. Having more is an advantage, but not nearly as significant as it would sound. The biggest advantage is that we might have to spend more money to keep up the pace of full nuclear war with an opponent that 1) has more nukes and 2) doesn't need to launch as many as we do to achieve maximum coverage. But warchests mitigate that advantage. Legion has a lot of numerical/statistical advantages over us and Tetris, the total nuke count disparity isn't even at the top of the list in my mind. [/quote] Biggest issues, Legion has a big advantage in the MP/WRC/Tech department. More than 2 to 1 vs NSO/Tetris combined. If the war doesn't spread and someone else doesn't hit Legion, they will have to be supremely incompetent to lose this war. So I would say that gives NSO/Tetris about a 50/50 chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1317683492' post='2814906'] Legion actually has the capability of doing something? Who honestly saw this coming? ...I blame Kzoppistan. His influence has clearly directed Legion towards this path of destruction. I also commend him for it. [/quote] Nonsense, my good sir. Aside from the one point in my career, where-in I was temporarily overcome by the spiritual madness of Johan, I have ever been a dove of the whitest plumage. Your comment is appreciated, but the accolades must be properly laid at the feet of our military commanders and government leaders. Edited October 5, 2011 by Kzoppistan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1317783124' post='2816577'] thing is, you think this will stay only NSO/Tetris and Legion? [/quote] One could hope to watch these three destroy one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1317783124' post='2816577'] thing is, you think this will stay only NSO/Tetris and Legion? [/quote] If Legion is smart they will not be the ones to bring anyone else in. Despite the complete lack of war fighting ability they have such large advantages that it should be hard for them to not come out on top or at least even. Bringing in help would change those odds. NSO calling in help to save them from an alliance like Legion would be to big of an embarrasment. Not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1317785282' post='2816586'] One could hope to watch these three destroy one another. [/quote] personally, I'd like to see AAs removed and everyone hit everyone. [quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1317786599' post='2816603'] [i][u]If Legion is smart[/u][/i] they will not be the ones to bring anyone else in. Despite the complete lack of war fighting ability they have such large advantages that it should be hard for them to not come out on top or at least even. Bringing in help would change those odds. NSO calling in help to save them from an alliance like Legion would be to big of an embarrasment. Not gonna happen. [/quote] the flaw in your premise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1317783619' post='2816581'] Biggest issues, Legion has a big advantage in the MP/WRC/Tech department. More than 2 to 1 vs NSO/Tetris combined. If the war doesn't spread and someone else doesn't hit Legion, they will have to be supremely incompetent to lose this war. So I would say that gives NSO/Tetris about a 50/50 chance. [/quote] A lot of our advantage goes to nations that are too large to declare though. NSO has a lot of wonders in smaller nations due to beat downs.. [quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1317786599' post='2816603'] If Legion is smart they will not be the ones to bring anyone else in. Despite the complete lack of war fighting ability they have such large advantages that it should be hard for them to not come out on top or at least even. Bringing in help would change those odds. NSO calling in help to save them from an alliance like Legion would be to big of an embarrasment. Not gonna happen. [/quote] That was the plan but looks like Europa is retarded and Mogar stumbled upon something... [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1317786571' post='2816602'] Oh, and I forgot the linky. [url="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApWKlzQhUjn7dEExR1dRSE5nbGRjYWJLOXBPLUdRWHc&hl=en_US#gid=0"]Europa's War Target list.[/url] [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Yuurei' timestamp='1317683168' post='2814880'] Great... there goes my FA plans for the next month... [/quote] lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmosfear Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) [color="#4169e1"]I'm not sure who to support in this war (OWF noob), but I hope everyone involved has fun because after this war is over, we may have to wait some time for another global war I hope this war spreads and my alliance gets involved because I want to kill! [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/war1.gif[/img] P.S. I just read every post in this thread [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif[/img][/color] Edited October 5, 2011 by Atmosfear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varianz Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 Legion I am genuinely curious. Did you actually forget to tell your nations you were going in on an aggressive war and they should maybe, I don't know, [i]build up in expectation of counters[/i]? The number of completely unprepared Legion nations who're getting knocked into anarchy because they didn't build up is inexcusable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Atmosfear' timestamp='1317808180' post='2816963'] [color="#4169e1"]P.S. I just read every post in this thread [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif[/img][/color] [/quote] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pmIQSV_6HWg/TJJ0K-TpotI/AAAAAAAACB4/Afs4NCRBkds/s1600/goldstar.jpg[/img] Maybe if you ask MK enough times, they'll bring ya along /if/ it makes it to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuroNeko Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1317808440' post='2816966'] Legion I am genuinely curious. Did you actually forget to tell your nations you were going in on an aggressive war and they should maybe, I don't know, [i]build up in expectation of counters[/i]? The number of completely unprepared Legion nations who're getting knocked into anarchy because they didn't build up is inexcusable. [/quote] That would have required some sort of actual planning. Remember, this is legion we are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmosfear Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1317808535' post='2816967'] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pmIQSV_6HWg/TJJ0K-TpotI/AAAAAAAACB4/Afs4NCRBkds/s1600/goldstar.jpg[/img] Maybe if you ask MK enough times, they'll bring ya along /if/ it makes it to them [/quote] [color="#4169e1"]As unbelievable as it may sound, MK actually doesn't mind sharing its food with their smaller friends, who have no other friends [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif[/img][/color] [color="#4169e1"]Thanks for the gold star, by the way - I deserve at least THAT after reading 542 posts [/color] Edited October 5, 2011 by Atmosfear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 You need a life, Atmosfear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='KuroNeko' timestamp='1317808813' post='2816968'] That would have required some sort of actual planning. Remember, this is legion we are talking about. [/quote] Then what the hell were they doing in the week plus that they let this CB simmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted October 5, 2011 Report Share Posted October 5, 2011 [quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1317822428' post='2817057'] Then what the hell were they doing in the week plus that they let this CB simmer [/quote] Obviously they were doing the reverse, and making our lives easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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