Alexander Kerensky

[quote name='Scorponok' timestamp='1330654610' post='2931618'] Same. Maybe they haven't seen our pleas yet. [/quote] Your pleas have been seen and dutifully ignored . In all seriousness it just was not something even high on our radar at the moment, sanction isn't what it used to be especially when we are currently only 16th.

Congrats on the treaty guys.

As Proconsul of the Legion I definitely say Unknown Smurf, at best is three sheets to the wind on this, this was neither intelligent nor funny. I find it unfortunate that a member of Legion would post something like this on their own in a desperate need for attention. It would seem that some lose the concept of their actions and how it reflects not on themselves but on the Alliance they are a part of.

[CENTER] [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/Legion.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/banner1.png[/IMG][IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/imperatorseal.png[/IMG][IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/banner2.png[/IMG] [/CENTER] [quote] [I]The Alliance of Tetris does hereby admit defeat to the forces of the Legion and withdraws from the field of battle.[/I][/quote] [quote][I]The Alliance of the New Sith Order does hereby accept the offer of Peace from the Legion and withdraws from the field of battle.[/I][/quote] The Legion would like to thank the aforementioned Alliances for their efforts in this war and wish them peace and prosperity in the future. We in the Legion also appreciate the concern all non-combat parties are expressing for our, and Planet Bob's, interests. In the future we hope that same left-handed compassion is expressed during any potential conflicts and negotiations those parties may have as well. [B][I][COLOR="Purple"]Signed hereby:[/COLOR][/I][/B] [SIZE="4"][B][U]The Legion:[/U][/B][/SIZE] /s/ Totem - Imperator /s/ Roddney McCay - Minister of Economics /s/ Regent Pancras - Minister of Foreign Affairs /s/ Killer04 - Minister of Defence /s/ Dendarii Federation - Minister of Internal Affairs [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/LegionFlag2.png[/IMG] [SIZE="4"][B][U]Tetris:[/U][/B][/SIZE] Game Developer: Lowgain Programmer of Foreign Matters: USMC123 Programmer of Game Patent: Kenfolk GTS Programmer of Components: Dane0 Programmer of Line Completion: Winged Wolf Programmer of the Matrix: Ali5541 [img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/8/82/Tetriss.png[/img] [SIZE="4"][B][U]New Sith Order:[/U][/B][/SIZE] YouWish959 ~ Emperor of the Sith Rayvon ~ Dark Lord of the Sith Anthony ~ Sith Lord Dilber ~ Sith Lord Varianz ~ Sith Lord [img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/0/01/NSOWhite.png[/img]

[quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1320425441' post='2838437'] And you had better get it cleaned up before you get stomped again. [/quote] Yes, it would appear having the most valid CB in the last two years defeating Tetris and only asking for them to surrender without imposing reps was far to harsh. I will have to reflect on the error of my ways.

So Tetris has refused to surrender (with no reps or any additional terms) and end the war for three weeks now and it is the fault of NSO/Legion? This amuses me

[CENTER] [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/Legion.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/banner1.png[/IMG][IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/imperatorseal.png[/IMG][IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/banner2.png[/IMG] [/CENTER] The Alliances of New Sakura Order, Blue Turtle Alliance, and the Imperial Assault Alliance do hereby accept the offer of White Peace from the Legion. All of the involved members agree not to re-enter the war after the signing of this document. The Legion would like to thank the aforementioned Alliances for their efforts in this war and wish them peace and prosperity in the future. Signed hereby: [SIZE="4"][B][U]The Legion:[/U][/B][/SIZE] /s/ Totem - Imperator /s/ Roddney McCay - Minister of Economics /s/ Regent Pancras - Minister of Foreign Affairs /s/ Killer04 - Minister of Defence /s/ Dendarii Federation - Minister of Internal Affairs [IMG]http://www.avelegio.net/forums/images/smilies/legion/LegionFlag2.png[/IMG] [B][U][SIZE="4"]New Sakura Order:[/SIZE][/U][/B] Elrich von Richt, Empress of the New Sakura Order KuroNeko, Petal Council Diablofan, Petal Council Saniiro Matsudaira, Petal Council KuroNeko, Petal Council [IMG]http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1115/sakudan.png[/IMG] [B][U][SIZE="4"]Imperial Assault Alliance:[/SIZE][/U][/B] Taget, Elders of Zion Emperor of the Imperial Assault Alliance [IMG]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/Stagger_Lee33/iaawarflag.png[/IMG] [B][U][SIZE="4"]Blue Turtle Alliance:[/SIZE][/U][/B] Rudolph, Oracle Master-Debater, Consul TheSpoon, Consul [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zZsHM.png[/IMG]

[quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1319560882' post='2832134'] ...this is still an unconditional surrender. [/quote] I have no doubt you guys will try and play the terminology error out as such but it is not. The referenced AA would not leave unless Tetris was out, I made very clear that Legion wanted nothing except a surrender from Tetris which they did not want. Since they did not want that the other AA's didn't want out, the semantics of trying to say a "condition" being put on Tetris was talking about what would have already been tentatively agreed in part of the other AA's isn't a condition as a normal way things line out when items like this are discussed.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1319558542' post='2832110'] I'll put it as plainly as possible for you: If that's what you want from Tetris, we won't allow it. If that isn't what you mean, denounce your previous remarks and plainly say so, because you're digging yourself a hole. [/quote] You are reading snips from logs and not the entire conversation, I said very plainly and explained what I had ment (both here and in the logs). What you are missing from the conversation are the dominoes and the context. Simply put IAA/BTA/NsO stated that Tetris was the first domino for them all, hence my statement being referenced. When Tetris was out then we could talk, as in the logs we were asking for the surrender of Tetris. Once Tetris was willing to surrender or other possible arrangements agreed to (proposed by Lowgain) then we would have to talk about everyone else. [quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1319558560' post='2832111'] And again, as I explained to you in query, we aren't interested in this ending just yet. [/quote] Others in the channel asked what it would take to get NSO out that night, that was the answer nothing more. [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1319558873' post='2832113'] Not according to the logs I have. Tetris didn't come to you at all: [/quote] This was in reference to the original contact not the talks friday night.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1319557431' post='2832096'] This isn't even believable, since at a point only a few days before you'd made clear that you wanted to ask for [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=106175&view=findpost&p=2831879"]reps[/url]. That's a condition, fyi. Now you back down in public because you realize that you really, really overreached pushing for that kind of surrender. [/quote] You seem not to be able to read very well, I made our position officially clear Friday, not today in public, you where there after all. Tetris came to us after "offering" white peace wanting to know where we stood, I told them where we stood at that time as they were asking alone. If NSO wanted to know where they stood all they had to do was ask.

[quote name='heggo' timestamp='1319557287' post='2832094'] At one point in the whole history of mankind has Unconditional Surrender meant "Surrender without any worry that we'll demand things from you"? [/quote] I believe you are trying to reference "at what point" which would be today's current geopolitical climate starting in 1945 where unconditional surrender is governed by NATO and the UN under various conventions. This is in general has turned to surrender with out condition, as it was used and intended there-by, if your were actually interested.

I made the error when typing it out both here and in the logs Friday, I had wondered why there had been so much fuss over the modern term when it was used and the need to explain it out as without conditions. Though through my error I am sure that is the only item that will be relayed in the posts below, as they will not read my correction nor its meaning. I am sure much fun will be had of course.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1319552579' post='2832070'] That's a bad idea. Maybe we should have a chat. Or did you just use the wrong phrase? [/quote] In the case above I am using the term as dictated in modern times: The Surrender referenced is a surrender without conditions. We are not asking for a surrender with no guarantees as noted in the text below explaining no terms/reps/etc, this was explained at the time of offering. Edited the original post to include the proper terminology in the current state and not the current terminology of the current geopolitical world.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1319347603' post='2830800'] Well - the consensus amongst the general membership when they learned of Legions [i]demands[/i] for a full surrender and reparations; we take a page out of FAN's book [/quote] I woke up this morning awaiting logs of scandalous texts, maybe one of our Minister demanded something I didn't know about, maybe some delicious fake logs. NSO government had been trying to perpetuate the notion that Legion was demanding reparations from them (or to a lesser extent their entire coalition) so I was in anticipation. Unfortunately, to my complete disappointment I find week old logs of an interaction between myself and Lowgain that everyone had seen a couple days after there taking place. It would seem in your need to misrepresent the quoted conversation you overlook one simple and quite glaring problem. At no point was anything ever stated in any form or fashion about NSO, at no point during the above was any demands of NSO made, as a point of fact NSO/NsO in any utterance was never noted. If this is your smoking gun that is going to make Legion back peddle you are sadly mistaken, more to the point the reparations asked of Tetris were never even substantiated beyond the vague term being used at the first correspondence. If NSO had approached Legion and asked them to comment on where we stood they would have logs of their own, obviously they don't. I understand your need to try and misrepresent these logs as some type of reparations demand to an AA that was never mentioned given what our official terms that were offered on Friday night. I am quite sure if you try and say it enough it will magically become true and everyone will believe you, but its just not going to happen. The Leader of Tetris asked us where his AA stood and what our thoughts were, I answered with where Legion stood in relation to Tetris, but as always you are free to keep making up whatever you need to in order to survive. [quote] [quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1319523781' post='2831986'] If you wanna delve into that Friday meeting tho, we can look at the [b]threats[/b] from your LoSS [i]mediator[/i] towards Tetris [i]should they not accept the terms given by Legion[/i]; or how he stated in the middle of the channel he was actively trying to get a certain treaty cancelled on our side ... Good times ... [/quote] [quote name='The Pansy' timestamp='1319524577' post='2831989'] Why has Legion got a LoSS mediator?, surely LoSS would be on the other side should this continue to escalate? [/quote][/quote] I see you are again crafting your propaganda based on complete fabrications so that you have something to try and spin, I expect the truth actually does hurt. The mediator from LoSS took it upon himself to call us all into an impromptu talk (with the assistance of members of your coalition), LoSS (or rather this member) had his own agenda and allies to look after. As I told youwish (when he asked) as well as Varianz, I, nor anyone from Legion called the talks. Although you have all the logs and know this, but again why bother with anything that resembles the truth when you need to misrepresent what happened in order to try and change perception. Concerning Tetris in the above, If a member of LoSS threatened them I am quite sure Tetris as a sovereign alliance is more than capable of defending themselves or taking it to LoSS Government and is simply not a matter for Legion to be involved with. I did not see a problem with the "peace" talks on Friday night. Everyone of importance was involved to some extent and Legion made an official offer of terms to everyone. I know that this may go against what you are probably trying to pass off to your members or the OWF as a whole of our "demands" for "reparations". Just so everyone is crystal clear and there are absolutely no need for NSO's unique interpretation allow me to let everyone else know as well: Terms offered to the [i]Incompetence Extravaganza Coalition[/i] on (Fri Oct 21 20:00:41 2011) : Tetris: Surrender NSO: Surrender NsO: White Peace IAA: White Peace BTA: White peace That is it, no further terms, no reparations, no hidden agenda, no lulz, just simple words to be posted in a forum. Those terms were deemed unacceptable and rejected by the above AA's, at no point has Legion demanded reparations from NSO. The Legion respects any Alliances decision to keep fighting and if any of the above involved in the war decides they wish to further discuss peace they are more than welcome to simply ask where they currently stand and why, if anything has changed. Edit: Made to correct to what was offered more clear to everyone as my terminology is for modern terms based on current political conflict and not the current war between Tetris-Legion. Romano's post below contains the original term and my post below that explains the meaning there-of. My apologies for crossing the references between the inside/outside worlds.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1319347603' post='2830800'] Well - the consensus amongst the general membership when they learned of Legions [i]demands[/i] for a full surrender and reparations; we take a page out of FAN's book [/quote] [quote name='Dilber' timestamp='1319499031' post='2831815'] Legion lying to their allies? Why I never. [/quote] Yes, there certainly is lying going on. As the person representing Legion when a peace offer was discussed last Friday, I to would like to hear these dastardly reparations that I have demanded during that meeting.