BAPS response to UPN

[President S O]

I am very disappointed it has had to come to this. But if it works, great. A little "war" or "dueling" or whatever it's being called will be fun.

Although, I do wish this was organized in private by the two parties, therefore not allowing the fools (you all know who you are) to carry on as they have.

Basically;

Could have been handled better, best of luck to everyone involved - including the entire Purple sphere.

[Alfred von Tirpitz]

So? Has UPN accepted the acceptance of BAPS? Its too long a discussion to go through, and I see a clear clean warscreen.

[Kubla Khan]

Dishonor in its most obvious and shameful form

[Duckz3]

[quote name='Learz' date='12 June 2010 - 06:10 AM' timestamp='1276348192' post='2334887']
Protip: low casualty count doesn't always mean bad fighting skills. For much of my nation I had around 400K casualties, but I earned those at ~1K infra. It took me nearly 5 months of warfare. It always ticked me off that a large nation could take a few nukes and have 1mil+ casualties while smaller nations had to fight for months to get the same amount.
[/quote]
UPN has plenty of large nations with insanely low Causalities

[Logan]

If BAPS want to fight UPN so badly I don't understand why their offer must be nonnegotiable. Couldn't they figure out something like 50 vs 50 since UPN would like it even. Or possibly UPN folding to BAPS and going with something like a 50 vs 100 since they seem so intent on using their small concentrated numbers to distribute more damage? If neither side is willing to meet in the middle I have no other choice but to write both of alliances off as merely thumping their chests in hopes an on looker might mistake them for tough guys.

[Haflinger]

[quote name='Duckz3' date='13 June 2010 - 03:21 PM' timestamp='1276456894' post='2336322']
UPN has plenty of large nations with insanely low Causalities
[/quote]
Indeed.

Ruler: JokerHisoka
Nation Name: Cappuccino
Alliance Affiliation: United Purple Nations
Alliance Seniority: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 Days)
Nation Created: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 days old)
Technology: 11,743.22
Infrastructure: 19,600.00
Area of Influence: 8,922.646 mile diameter.
4,370.511 in purchases, 2,565.490 in modifiers, 1,986.645 in growth
Nation Strength: 124,835.727
Number of Soldiers: 38,193 (88,206)
Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 8,446 Attacking + 49,302 Defending = 57,748 Casualties
[b]Alliance[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#3[/b] of 378 alliance nations
[b]Casualty[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#8,487[/b] of 24,987 Nations (33.97%)
[b]Nation[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#105[/b] of 24,987 Nations (0.42%)

His citizen count is 188,040. His public military wonders include the Anti-Air Defense Network, Fallout Shelter System, Foreign Air Force Base, and Pentagon. He also has two Mars wonders, but no Colony. Based on my spy odds, he probably has a CIA, although he does have a lot of land and tech, so possibly not. Definitely at least 550 spies. But no SDI, MP or WRC.

[quote name='Logan' date='13 June 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1276459348' post='2336347']
[b]If BAPS want to fight UPN so badly[/b] I don't understand why their offer must be nonnegotiable.
[/quote]
Answer: They don't. Look through the thread here and see which alliance is willing to pursue wars against UPN regardless of the conditions set on them.

[BlkAK47_002]

The leadership in both alliances are idiots for blowing this out of proportion. This is exactly what your enemies want you to do.

[Sandwich Controversy]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1276465358' post='2336402']
Indeed.

Ruler: JokerHisoka
Nation Name: Cappuccino
Alliance Affiliation: United Purple Nations
Alliance Seniority: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 Days)
Nation Created: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 days old)
Technology: 11,743.22
Infrastructure: 19,600.00
Area of Influence: 8,922.646 mile diameter.
4,370.511 in purchases, 2,565.490 in modifiers, 1,986.645 in growth
Nation Strength: 124,835.727
Number of Soldiers: 38,193 (88,206)
Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 8,446 Attacking + 49,302 Defending = 57,748 Casualties
[b]Alliance[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#3[/b] of 378 alliance nations
[b]Casualty[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#8,487[/b] of 24,987 Nations (33.97%)
[b]Nation[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#105[/b] of 24,987 Nations (0.42%)

His citizen count is 188,040. His public military wonders include the Anti-Air Defense Network, Fallout Shelter System, Foreign Air Force Base, and Pentagon. He also has two Mars wonders, but no Colony. Based on my spy odds, he probably has a CIA, although he does have a lot of land and tech, so possibly not. Definitely at least 550 spies. But no SDI, MP or WRC.


Answer: They don't. Look through the thread here and see which alliance is willing to pursue wars against UPN regardless of the conditions set on them.
[/quote]
This is pretty hilarious.

Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 912,048 Attacking + 1,595,757 Defending = 2,507,805 Casualties
Casualty Rank: Ranked #431 of 24,982 Nations (1.73%)
We need to start a war [img]http://thecastlehall.com/boards/Smileys/kickass/negativeman.png[/img]

Edited June 13, 2010 by Sandwich Controversy

[oinkoink12]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 11:42 PM' timestamp='1276465358' post='2336402']
Indeed.

Ruler: JokerHisoka
Nation Name: Cappuccino
Alliance Affiliation: United Purple Nations
Alliance Seniority: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 Days)
Nation Created: 10/28/2006 1:41:48 PM (1,324 days old)
Technology: 11,743.22
Infrastructure: 19,600.00
Area of Influence: 8,922.646 mile diameter.
4,370.511 in purchases, 2,565.490 in modifiers, 1,986.645 in growth
Nation Strength: 124,835.727
Number of Soldiers: 38,193 (88,206)
Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 8,446 Attacking + 49,302 Defending = 57,748 Casualties
[b]Alliance[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#3[/b] of 378 alliance nations
[b]Casualty[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#8,487[/b] of 24,987 Nations (33.97%)
[b]Nation[/b] Rank: Ranked [b]#105[/b] of 24,987 Nations (0.42%)

His citizen count is 188,040. His public military wonders include the Anti-Air Defense Network, Fallout Shelter System, Foreign Air Force Base, and Pentagon. He also has two Mars wonders, but no Colony. Based on my spy odds, he probably has a CIA, although he does have a lot of land and tech, so possibly not. Definitely at least 550 spies. But no SDI, MP or WRC.


Answer: They don't. Look through the thread here and see which alliance is willing to pursue wars against UPN regardless of the conditions set on them.
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[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' date='14 June 2010 - 12:43 AM' timestamp='1276469016' post='2336440']
This is pretty hilarious.

Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 912,048 Attacking + 1,595,757 Defending = 2,507,805 Casualties
Casualty Rank: Ranked #431 of 24,982 Nations (1.73%)
We need to start a war [img]http://thecastlehall.com/boards/Smileys/kickass/negativeman.png[/img]
[/quote]

But atleast he got a warchest

[quote]You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Cappuccino. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:

Desired Religion: Jainism
Desired Government: Capitalist
Threat Level: Low
Tax Rate: 30%
Number of Spies: 550
Last Nuke Purchase: None
Last Wonder Purchase: 3/16/2010
Total Money: $1,990,410,438
Technology: 11,743.22 Levels
Last Bill Payment: 6/13/2010 3:03:15 PM
Trade Partners: Goldoa, J Sw4g, loveisallaround, sweetandsour, Trackster23
Secret Aid Sent To: None
Total Aircraft: 0
Aircraft Fighter Strength: 0
Aircraft Bomber Strength: 0
Navy Purchases Today: 0
Navy Vessels:
# Corvettes: 0
# Landing Ships: 0
# Battleships: 0
# Cruisers: 0
# Frigates: 0
# Destroyers: 0
# Submarines: 0
# Aircraft Carriers: 0

Your spies returned home unharmed and unidentified. [/quote]

[EgoFreaky]

[quote name='TECUMSEH' date='11 June 2010 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1276280561' post='2333454']

And lol at RnR talking crap.
[/quote]

Well what can i say, not a lot of better occasions to get on the OWF then to have a good laugh at UPN

But please don't pay attention to us. I'm sure you guys have to keep focused on backing out of this.

We'll just go sit here and enjoy the show

[Jakome]

[quote name='oinkoink12' date='13 June 2010 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1276469589' post='2336443']
You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Cappuccino. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:
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And the plot thickens

[Lord Brendan]

[quote name='oinkoink12' date='13 June 2010 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1276469589' post='2336443']
But atleast he got a warchest
[/quote]

Probably the best part of this thread. I'm curious to see if UPN will even object to having their members wantonly spied on.

Also he hasn't bought a wonder in three months, when he's missing at least 5 useful wonders.

[Jacapo Saladin]

[quote name='Lord Brendan' date='13 June 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1276471570' post='2336473']
Probably the best part of this thread. I'm curious to see if UPN will even object to having their members wantonly spied on.

Also he hasn't bought a wonder in three months, when he's missing at least 5 useful wonders.
[/quote]

I doubt it. Anyone they have in range of oink is probably too afraid to attack.


Although maybe tecumseh can fill his apparent hunger to get nuked and earn his first little casualties here.

Edited June 13, 2010 by Jacapo Saladin

[Haflinger]

[quote name='oinkoink12' date='13 June 2010 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1276469589' post='2336443']
But atleast he got a warchest
[/quote]
1.9 billion at 19.6K infra isn't a warchest, it's an improvement swapping fund.

[Lord Brendan]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1276472933' post='2336487']
1.9 billion at 19.6K infra isn't a warchest, it's an improvement swapping fund.
[/quote]

It's almost decent. Besides, he'll be saving war expenses by not having a WRC!

[Jacapo Saladin]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1276472933' post='2336487']
1.9 billion at 19.6K infra isn't a warchest, it's an improvement swapping fund.
[/quote]

He is planning on either not having to fight anyone or not having to pay many bills due to his infra being nuked away.

[flak attack]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1276472933' post='2336487']
1.9 billion at 19.6K infra isn't a warchest, it's an improvement swapping fund.
[/quote]
In a nuclear war, it depends more on tech than infra, really. It could probably get him through a month if he spent efficiantly, though he wouldn't have much to rebuild with.

[chefjoe]

[quote name='flak attack' date='13 June 2010 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1276474786' post='2336513']
In a nuclear war, it depends more on tech than infra, really. It could probably get him through a month if he spent efficiantly, [b]though he wouldn't have much to rebuild with.[/b][/quote]

Which is why even after all of his mouthing off and such he wont stand up and go thru with his wager(sell down to 110k ns,DoW 3 wars offensivly for a 6v1, and then rebuild and get voted to senate), just like UPN.

See a trend?

[Vol Navy]

[quote name='flak attack' date='14 June 2010 - 01:20 AM' timestamp='1276474786' post='2336513']
In a nuclear war, it depends more on tech than infra, really. It could probably get him through a month if he spent efficiantly, though he wouldn't have much to rebuild with.
[/quote]


2 billion should be plenty unless the war lasts months and months. I started Karma at about 100,000 NS, 12,000+ infra,6600 tech. I fought all out every day for all but about 2 weeks when I was finally able to get to PM after 48 days of war, all of it at least 1 vs 3 with a 1 vs 5 first round. I was nuked, GA's,bombed etc the max amount possible every single day until about the last 5 days of the last cycle before I was able to get to PM. I also rebought and nuked, spied, air and ground attacked all my opponents every day including rebuying quite a bit of infra to stay at 1000. I had to collect 2 times in Nuke anarchy, which was of course basically nothing.

After all that I still spent only about 700 million during all of the time I fought in Karma, I don't remember exactly be it was well over 60 days, probably closer to 80. That includes fighing several more 1 vs 3 rounds after leaving PM.

With the right trades you can get back from 0 to 12,000 infra for 1.2 billion dollars. So you might not be able to get back to 20k infra and 140k NS, but you should be able to get back to being a pretty sizeable nation (80k+) after only 30 days of war with the tech level someone starting with 11,000+ tech should have left at the end of 30 days.

[Logan]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='13 June 2010 - 02:42 PM' timestamp='1276465358' post='2336402']
Answer: They don't. Look through the thread here and see which alliance is willing to pursue wars against UPN regardless of the conditions set on them.
[/quote]

Hence why they are both thumping their chests. Both have offered a fight neither will accept.

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' date='13 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1276469016' post='2336440']
This is pretty hilarious.

Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 912,048 Attacking + 1,595,757 Defending = 2,507,805 Casualties
Casualty Rank: Ranked #431 of 24,982 Nations (1.73%)
We need to start a war [img]http://thecastlehall.com/boards/Smileys/kickass/negativeman.png[/img]
[/quote]
Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 1,330,475 Attacking + 1,956,477 Defending = 3,286,952 Casualties
Casualty Rank: Ranked #189 of 24,975 Nations (0.76%)

Nation Rank: Ranked #6,113 of 24,975 Nations (24.48%)
Nation Strength: 25,665.773

i feel amused as well. though honestly, if they don't want to war who gives a $%&@. BAPS did not accept their challenge and UPN did not accept BAPS challenge. Both have shown they are cowards for not accepting a challenge (sorry, can't have it with just UPN being cowards for not accepting BAPS challenge but BAPS gets off clean. don't happen except in delusionland) and both have shown an unwillingness to compromise.

neither alliance comes out looking good as Purple is already a sphere that is hurting and conflicted, this would just drive even more of a wedge into the Purple sphere and not help it in the least. while it would be ultimately amusing to watch both alliances destroy each other, it would be useless. those allied to UPN specifically may not like the fact that BAPS is laying waste to UPN. those allied to BAPS specifically have already shown a distaste for this action by BAPS in which BAPS did not consult PEACE prior to this, and as the flag alliance for PEACE it only shows that BAPS is not really for Purple Unity but is more than willing to put their own selfish needs above that of the Purple sphere.

those purple alliances calling for BAPS to destroy UPN are not exactly helping matters at all and instead letting your own personal selfish feelings get in the way of trying to fix your sphere. now, not saying that fixing your sphere is necessary but if you wish to want to claim some semblance of Purple Unity, actively calling for the destruction of a purple alliance does not in the least look like you are. (now i know Stickmen, at least iFOK are purple but they actively try to destroy purple as it is, so they don't really count. UPN just messed up and seems to have a different political outlook then most of ya'll. though iirc Hydra left PEACE and did not receive this much flak for leaving PEACE, though i am sure they left on better terms.)

in the end, this whole callout from both UPN and BAPS is just stupid and pathetic. Both alliances need to just grow up and talk it out to at least get past the issues. don't need to be friendly just on talkin terms. otherwise, just leave each other alone. this just makes Purple (yes the whole bloody sphere) look dumb and lends credence to the lolPurple smack talk.

[Zoomzoomzoom]

Oink just won this topic.

[President S O]

[quote]though iirc Hydra left PEACE and did not receive this much flak for leaving PEACE, though i am sure they left on better terms.[/quote]

I'd have to say the Hydra and UPN situations cannot be compared. Main reason being, Hydra went to war for its allies and therefore isn't/didn't cop as much/if any "flak".

Point being: People are still annoyed at UPN about not coming in.

Then again, perhaps I am missing some other underlying issue.

[Alterego]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' date='14 June 2010 - 03:51 AM' timestamp='1276483891' post='2336674']
i feel amused as well. though honestly, if they don't want to war who gives a $%&@. BAPS did not accept their challenge and UPN did not accept BAPS challenge. Both have shown they are cowards for not accepting a challenge (sorry, can't have it with just UPN being cowards for not accepting BAPS challenge but BAPS gets off clean. don't happen except in delusionland) and both have shown an unwillingness to compromise. [/quote]
Our offer was genuine. they openy said they knew their offer wouldnt be accepted
Whos zooming who? as they say.


[quote]neither alliance comes out looking good as Purple is already a sphere that is hurting and conflicted, this would just drive even more of a wedge into the Purple sphere and not help it in the least. while it would be ultimately amusing to watch both alliances destroy each other, it would be useless. those allied to UPN specifically may not like the fact that BAPS is laying waste to UPN. those allied to BAPS specifically have already shown a distaste for this action by BAPS in which BAPS did not consult PEACE prior to this, and as the flag alliance for PEACE it only shows that BAPS is not really for Purple Unity but is more than willing to put their own selfish needs above that of the Purple sphere. [/quote]
We are not the flag alliance of PEACE.

[quote]those purple alliances calling for BAPS to destroy UPN are not exactly helping matters at all and instead letting your own personal selfish feelings get in the way of trying to fix your sphere. now, not saying that fixing your sphere is necessary but if you wish to want to claim some semblance of Purple Unity, actively calling for the destruction of a purple alliance does not in the least look like you are. (now i know Stickmen, at least iFOK are purple but they actively try to destroy purple as it is, so they don't really count. UPN just messed up and seems to have a different political outlook then most of ya'll. though iirc Hydra left PEACE and did not receive this much flak for leaving PEACE, though i am sure they left on better terms.)[/quote]
UPNs political outlook is avoiding and war that can hurt them, even at the expense of allies. They are going to be in C&G before you know it. Londos willingness to get to know them shows this

Edited June 14, 2010 by Alterego

[Lukcia]

In the very few months I was in UPN, I fought in 2 wars and prepared for 2.

The whole TPF facade, we were all told to ready up for war.
We then fought RnR in the NPO-\m/ war.
We then had to fight Alchemy in the same war.
Then within a fortnight having fought against 2 alliances then having a white peace declared, we were nearly bought into another world conflict but due to ODN requesting our help, we'd be forced to attack purple or break a treaty with a very close (and due to thread like these, I feel only) ally and UPN's government spent many days thinking over it. In the end the membership had a vote. If I remember, it was only a few votes in it.

Either way, UPN went to war a lot over my short stay there.

UPN aren't cowards but they don't want a needless full out war which would just ruin Purple more.