Corinan Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 For my part in all this, I apologize. This is something that really should have been handled internally and now I just feel a bit ridiculous for my role in escalating it. It was foolish of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Its good to see some common sense prevailing here in the cold light of day, Last nights wrangling was unnecessary, ugly and served no purpose, Nobody came out of it looking good, Brown has had enough issues in the past few years that stability won't be easy and cannot be imposed, NSO is potentially a new dawn for the team, a breath of fresh air at least, Personally I'd like to see NSO sign up to AA. The nexus alliances tend to stay away from the major political drama and will probably prefer more time to see how NSO settle down before signing up to a team wide MDP with an alliance who's long term plans are not yet clear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I would argue that both alliances, and Tyga in particular, came out looking good for their handling of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 For my part, to those that are still confused on the issue. I would like to apologize to my friend Tygaland and to the STA if they feel I acted inappropriately and caused them disrespect. That was never my intent. Each alliance handles their internal issues differently and I am in no position, and have no right, to impose my opinions on what I believe another alliance should do in regards to discipline.I still believe the logic fails. Having a member of an ally alliance which is currently in a mutual defense pact with us espousing that alliances shouldn't sign mutual defense pacts with us seems a bit...odd. And I will leave it at that. I should not have threatened a member of an allied alliance. That was wrong. It was a quick response in the face of what I believed to be blatant lies and slander but I still should have refrained from making the actual threat. I apologize to the STA for doing so and placing you in a difficult position diplomatically. The ganging up that took place probably shouldn't have happened. I believe my alliance members thought they were doing their best to act in my defense. Many do not seem to know that I can defend myself very well in certain situations. Hopefully in the future such issues will not be escalated so easily. Apology accepted. Thank you. I consider this issue closed and it will certainly not affect any future relations between our two alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Erics Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Bad choice, NSO. Allying with /b/ 3.0? Insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diogenes Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Bad choice, NSO. Allying with /b/ 3.0?Insane. An even worse and more insane choice would be taking your opinion into consideration. Congratulations to the NSO and CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Erics Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 An even worse and more insane choice would be taking your opinion into consideration. Congratulations to the NSO and CD. Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right? When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right?When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. The NTO never did plaster the forums with shock images, and I believe there are very few remaining that believe CD is /b/ 3.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right?When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. No, not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydro Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right?When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. Better to risk crossing the river then to always live in fear of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coloradia Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right?When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. CD is not /b/. I would like to apologize for my part in this, while I believe I did nothing wrong, I could certainly have been more tactful in my posts, and stopped when I realized the conversation was going nowhere. Also I would like to apologize to any NSO members who took my sychophant comment as regarding them, it was not intended so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 So I'm almost done getting full trades on brown after less than 24 hours =D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just for clarification purposes Jake Erics is not an NPO member but as far as I know was affiliated with Vox, and still most likely is. Leaders flying markings which do not belong to them and declaring themselves to be a part of which they are not can add a level of confusion, so to avoid it here. Anyway, good luck with the treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just for clarification purposes Jake Erics is not an NPO member but as far as I know was affiliated with Vox, and still most likely is. Leaders flying markings which do not belong to them and declaring themselves to be a part of which they are not can add a level of confusion, so to avoid it here. Anyway, good luck with the treaty. Good to know. Thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker Texas Ranger Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Bad choice, NSO. Allying with /b/ 3.0?Insane. Seriously, you want to make that comparison? Besides the fact Carpe Diem has only a handful of even the original NTO members and has had an excellent foreign affairs record (an outstanding member of CDT and MDP'd with Invicta), your statement only serves to demonstrate your ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroman Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Just like NTO wasn't /b/ right?When Carpe Diem plasters these forums with shock images "for the lulz" NSO will look rather silly for allying with them. lol, we were being called /b/ 3.0 right after the NOI/NTO merger last April. After 11 months of sovereignty without incident, when are these /b/ antics that make up our alliance going to surface I wonder? Thanks for the needless trolling, CD doesn't get much of that, so as the Trium of an alliance that is constantly being accused of being /b/, it's nice to see some people still give it the effort. Aside from all the posts that I've made in response to derailment in this thread, I am quite proud that we've signed this treaty with the NSO, and I look forward to bringing our relationship closer. Thank you to all the envious instigators who continue to remind us how awesome we are, you're a hoot. And thank you to all the people who evidently like us, you're classy and I like that, a lot. Much love. Also, no worries Branmir, I doubted his NPO on-forum affiliation just as soon as I read his post. I have yet to see the NPO act so tactlessly towards us. o/ NSO Edited March 22, 2009 by Pyroman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otto Verteidiger Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 lol, we were being called /b/ 3.0 right after the NOI/NTO merger last April. After 11 months of sovereignty without incident, when are these /b/ antics that make up our alliance going to surface I wonder? Ah ha, caught you, you snake in the grass! Trying to fake reasonableness and logical, right out of the /b/ playbook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmansfield68 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Congratulations to our friends in the New Sith Order and Carpe Diem. Stability on the brown sphere can only be a good thing, and a positive step forward for the cyberverse. o/ Terra-Cotta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroman Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Ah ha, caught you, you snake in the grass! Trying to fake reasonableness and logical, right out of the /b/ playbook! Complete accident, I haven't memorized the playbook yet I have no idea what you're talking about good sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzsak Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Bad choice, NSO. Allying with /b/ 3.0?Insane. You're being mean and making K4tz upset. I've never had anything to do with /b/ nyaa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Just for clarification purposes Jake Erics is not an NPO member but as far as I know was affiliated with Vox, and still most likely is. Leaders flying markings which do not belong to them and declaring themselves to be a part of which they are not can add a level of confusion, so to avoid it here. Anyway, good luck with the treaty. This is still needed? He's been posting for nearly a month now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Destruction Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 This is still needed?He's been posting for nearly a month now... Yeah, it's still needed Archon. Some people think he's a member of the NPO still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I say everyone just kills each other and the winner says what brown will be turned into. ;] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 This is still needed?He's been posting for nearly a month now... Of course it is needed. The NPO has enough PR problems without impostures creating more for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincongrad Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm coming late to the party here, but I'm very interested by this whole situation. I stopped reading at around page 15 though, so if the discussion has completely moved on I apologize. Many people seem to think that NSO are being presumptuous by creating a color block since they are a relatively new alliance. This is most likely because they see it as a power grab by Moldavi, designed to set him on the road to dominance of Planet Bob. While this is undoubtedly true to some degree, I am puzzled by those who see something wrong with this agenda. The vast majority of alliances are seeking greater dominance. One might argue that the entire purpose of an alliance is to achieve power and security. Can you really fault someone for seeking a strong position? I, as do many, welcome such ambition as a power for unification and cooperation as long as it is done honorably. The argument that NSO should have waited before forming a block does not really hold up either. Yes, alliances usually wait until they are a few months old before signing important treaties/joining blocks. The reason for this, however, is not their lack of age but instead their lack of size and influence. In NSO's case neither of these limitations apply. Many well known figures have joined the NSO, taking care of the influence argument. As for size: well, I've seen a bunch of members of TCB in here saying that NSO should have waited. Correct me if I've got something wrong here, but TCB currently has 10.67 score and is part of the PWN MDoAP block on pink, a strong military block. Can you really fault NSO, at 10.24 score, for seeking the same level of security? For those of you who say that Moldavi is first conquering brown sphere and later the cyberverse using this block as a stepping stone, if that were his agenda would he create an equal partnership block with only one alliance? The thing about having a block with only one partner is that politics is very direct. It's hard to pressure the other alliance into doing something you want them to do unless you have several allies in the block supporting you (spoken from one or two past unfortunate experiences in Poseidon). Carpe Diem does not strike me as the type of alliance that would be content with hanging back in the shadow of the NSO. While I have no doubt that the two of them are seeking greater power, I think that it is together, not apart, that they will reach it. I don't fault anyone for being concerned that an alliance led by Moldavi has risen so fast and begun establishing ties. And I agree that maybe they should have attempted to get more than two signatories on board before going public. But that is an issue of preference, not ideals, and I will not dispute their decision. That being said, I'm trembling in my shoes at the thought of Moldavi at large in the cyberverse once again. Cheers all. PS: I'll be checking this periodically... feel free to dispute points (I know yall will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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