Walker Texas Ranger

[quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1339458069' post='2980979'] Isn't this the alliance that peaced and re-declared on MK or whatever? Quality. [/quote] I'd say that's fairly irrelevant or whatever. Quality.

It's been a good run, Carpe Diem. The longest alliance I've ever been in without getting kicked out. It was love at first carp. o/ Carpe Diem o/ Cairna, overlord and coup'de'etater o/ New Sith Order, our New Sith Home.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1338831238' post='2976934'] nom nom [/quote] We sure are tasty.

I don't happily accept these terms, but I trust our government to have made the decision with due consideration. Congratulations to all of CD and thank you. Those of us who were in peace mode will make sure you are reimbursed for your efforts.

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1299664784' post='2657669'] And once again general membership pays for extremely stupid leadership. This DoW takes the cake for worse move of this war. Congrats on that I guess. CD membership would be wise to throw out it's current leadership. They failed you. [/quote] We've tried to get rid of the lazy SOBs, but no one else wants to be government. So we have to let them stay.

[quote name='Cairna' timestamp='1299696133' post='2657832'] I value this idea at approximately two Methrages, for comic value alone. [/quote] I concur.

MK, pay attention, this is how you defend your allies. With an OFFICIAL DoW.

[quote name='neneko' timestamp='1299603967' post='2656784'] I'll just leave this here. [/quote] And? MK still failed to recognize an official state of war with NSO. I know people are making all these jokes about MK being illiterate, but I'm beginning to believe y'all are.

[quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1299544168' post='2655952'] You know, if you guys had given them real terms instead this wouldn't have happened. Many thanks to CD for giving one of the best arguments against white peace I've ever seen. [/quote] Wait, wait. Hold on. White peace. Even though the opposing side was not saddled with any terms. It was a "fair" peace. We violated the "spirit" of the agreement. The spirit of the agreement was spite. We're more about reconciliation.

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1297204207' post='2626084'] I'm no dick. I'm just honest. I've played the role of the fringe group. Just because I'm willing to call a spade a spade doesn't make me a dick. You, Auctor, should know better. I'm not trying to make friends out here. I openly protest actions within and outside my alliance. I have the friends I need. People who have stood the test of time. I counted you among those. Having you wish my "attitude" get rearranged is no good feeling. But it doesn't matter. I did what I told CD to do. I opened this thread with my thoughts on this peace and left it at that, only responding the the sheer ridiculousness of CDs posts. If they don't like what happened then they can work it out with their friends. They just sound foolish out here with their constant complaining. So call me a dick. I can take that. I certainly don't care what the masses think of me. I fight for my alliance. I wish I could have fought some more. But I'm not going to keep throwing feces about it. [/quote] I'm not going to go as far as Auctor and call you a dick, but what you said was in extremely poor form. WAPA has proven itself to be a wonderful ally. However, your attitude leads me to believe GLOF doesn't give two-!@#$% about anyone smaller than them. I hope your allies take note of this.

[quote name='darkfox' timestamp='1297179907' post='2625727'] So you are saying WAPA would leave you in the war had you not signed? Did you guys not do any protests? Hell did you guys even bother talking to the other alliances on your side involved in this [s]surrender[/s] peace? AZTEC, NATO and TFD entered to get Sparta off NV's back. Sparta backed off. I don't see why CD is so angry. AZTEC and Co accomplished their goal and you guys can bow out gracefully with a couple scratches and are ready to help any ally who needs it. Yet here you are whining and complaining about not being able to fight longer. Or are you guys just mad that you weren't included more? [/quote] We accomplished our goal in entering this war. WAPA is safe. We've honored our treaty. That's not the issue. Our issue with the terms also does not stem from a mere wish to keep fighting. We were told we were needed for a war that, very likely, would go on for several weeks at minimum (Also explaining why we kept a 2nd wave ready in peace mode). Suddenly, terms were written up and we were not included at the negotiating table. The terms were presented to us, what choice did we have? The problem is, we CAN'T help an ally. Because AZTEC's leadership agreed to only allow defense attacks against DoW's that are post-treaty, we've effectively neutered our fighting ability. MHA and Friends don't have to follow that term. Why is that? Who thought that was an awesome idea? Our terms are selfish, that's what they are. We're safe, but our other allies are screwed. Option 1: We refuse to sign. That leads to two possible outcomes. Either the other alliances declare peace and we're left fighting on our lonesome. Or the other alliances are forced to continue to fight. I'm not sure why our leader signed the terms, nor do I know if our concerns were voiced to AZTEC's leadership about the terms. What really bothers me is that AZTEC would accept a surrender in the first place. A white peace would have been equitable. This? This is allowing Sparta and MHA to saddle us and say "Giddy-up." Option 2: We sign. Which we did. We accomplish our objective of defending WAPA and the rest of AZTEC can get some respite (I realize several of their alliances were being hit very hard). However, as Cairna said, this was a choice between castration and suicide. By signing this agreement, we've certainly protected our own (And AZTEC's) interests, while ignoring the war as a whole.

[quote name='The Iggy' timestamp='1297151306' post='2625487'] Had a good fight with MHA, my opponents all fought well except for one notable exception who made a false surrender to me I am taking up with MHA gov and trust an amenable solution. Big MHAil to them. I'm not going to quote the numerous CD posts, so I present a response in prose; Kindly get out. You talk about non-consultation and helping your allies. You did neither. you declared late (I suppose you were busy getting every.single.nation into peace mode). While WAPA, Colossus and TFD were fully engaged (TFD alone had 300-400 wars with MHA) you were sitting in peace mode. I bet you enjoyed watching MHA charts plummet, comtemplating your victorious ride. Too bad you couldn't do anything for days after your declaration because you 100% peacemoded against an already engaged MHA. And frankly, you wouldn't have done anything if that is any indication of your competency. The damage was meted out by nations going all out. As for whether you signed the peace agreement or not, I have no idea, you had your chance to get involved and blew it- That's on your own heads. Perhaps you'll learn your lesson for another an ally you'll likely be positioned to assist later. You went to foot around the matter of a destructive war and you got the respite you so wanted. After that, you have no position to come in here and $%^@#. [/quote] And you're a fool. We entered this war believing it would be a long-term war, for at least several weeks, if not a month or more. You don't drop your entire alliance into a war right off the bat. Maybe TFD would have done better if they had learned to stagger their attacks. We were backup. We declared a DAY late. Apparently that was an awful long time to wait! As for "blowing" our chance, you apparently lack the ability to read the previous posts. We had no choice. It was either sign or be left to fight MHA alone. We're crazy, not stupid.

[quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1297137426' post='2625117'] It would be my sincere hope that the magnanimous spirit displayed by Sparta, MHA, Fark, et al, would be reciprocated by other alliances involved in other conflicts. [/quote] It sure is easy to be magnanimous when you saddle the other side with BS terms.

[quote name='Cairna' timestamp='1297136860' post='2625104'] Thanks, I'll take note of that when I write a book on how to leave your alliance high and dry to run off and be a completely useless jackass. I'll make sure to cite you, though! Don't worry, I always give credit where credit is due. Newsflash: The only wars going on involving our allies are the ones we're expressly forbidden from joining. High five dude, we're learning together. Next I'm going to explain to you how the quality of your arguments normally depends on the quality of knowledge in general. Stay tuned. [/quote] I look forward to this lesson, we should mass-message MHA with the highlights of the talk.

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1297136563' post='2625088'] Feel free to fight on. Resign from you alliance and go temporarily join one of the currently warring alliances. Or stick around and complain. [/quote] Or your alliances could not drop out and leave us no choice but to sign. Oh, sure we could have not signed. Then we could keep fighting MHA on our own! You accepted no discussion on the terms from us. This was done in poor form and poor taste.