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CSN stayed in to help out last war. We don't forget stuff like that.

But real talk guys, What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. Someone had to say it.

[quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1343943620' post='3017941'] Sorry, but that's absolute crap, the expectation was that we'd disband at a time when that's what most people did. And to be honest, the members who stuck it through the war and the Viceroy showed more character and fortitude in that time than you've ever shown, in all your many years of posting whatever you need to in order to make a terrible point. [/quote] We get trolled all the time for our NPO viceroyship. Good stuff, huh? Mad respect for sticking through it. Not too many people can understand what a viceroyship feels like when they haven't been through one.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1343907419' post='3017813'] Just trying to make sure I understand correctly, your terms to Legion are 1 round of war with their upper tiers and a surrender?And they rejected that? Wow. That doesn't sound like the Legion I remember dealing with who were, despite their faults, fairly reasonable. [/quote] As I understand it we're refusing to exit without the rest of our coalition coming to terms. But I'm not in the negotiating room. Also I have no problem with GATO being called in. Applying additional pressure during negotiations is perfectly valid.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1343889200' post='3017774'] Too bad, stop sucking so much and win a war for once. [/quote] I could have sworn we did.

[quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1343763839' post='3017332'] It's one nation. Hardly a decisive defeat for GATO, nor is it indicative of how the war is shaping in general. [/quote] Come on, everyone knows that since a GATO nation pulled out first, GATO may as well surrender to us unconditionally. Game over, man, game over!

Welcome to the fite, GATO!

This is fairly brilliant.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1340498990' post='2993933'] I appreciate a good verbal smackdown of Legion as much as the next guy, but I fear we're drifting from the subject of the thread. Y'all gonna burn, NATO. [/quote] Well said. If anyone is actually interested in clarifying something or simply trash talking Legion feel free to message me and I'll do what I can.

Mad respect for GPA.

I think it's perfectly fine that LSF requests that INT stay out so INT stays out. It's LSF's business. I'm just wondering how many of the people supporting INT staying out were also screaming for Polaris et al to enter during the Legion-Tetris war. Just thought I'd put that out there.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1339736725' post='2984488'] why would we communicate? we want to attack them duh [/quote] That's what this leads me to believe, yes. Several people supporting MK's side have been unclear in that respect, so I was confused.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1339729691' post='2984290'] Dave has a convo with Rota. CSN puts Dave on ZI list. MK accepts Dave knowing he's on CSN's ZI list. CSN gov contacted MK. Argument over whether Dave spied or not ensued. MK then launched attacks on CSN. [/quote] Gotcha. Well that's a lot better than I thought, but I still dislike it because I think Dave93 is guilty. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

So I'm way late to the party, I know, but I have a question. Did MK tell CSN to back off and/or discuss this with CSN before declaring war? Apologies if this has already been covered earlier in the thread. Of the first 15 pages or so of the thread which I read, I saw a lot of posts about the defending side being hypocritical in that if an MK-aligned alliance did what CSN did then detractors of the current war would be expressing outrage. I feel like some would, but really the main concern I have with this war is the lack of communication. If MK had talked to CSN and told them to step off, I feel like MK would have much more of an argument here. They didn't (did they?), and so MK's actions are clearly simply expressing their desire to stomp CSN. CSN, of course, should have come and talked to MK, but the burden of initiating conversation falls on MK... any rogue can hop back and forth between AAs, as I seem to remember reading that Dave93 has done, and it seems to be that the bulk of the responsibility for communications to halt attacks falls on the alliance whose AA he is on, since the ones who have previously sentenced the ZI have a prior claim. In summation, it's not so much the attack as the communication issue that I see as MK's fault. Going to war over whether or not someone should be ZIed is one thing. I believe that Dave93 deserves his sentence, but that's not my main issue with MK's actions. Jumping the gun in terms of attacks displays a clear agressive motive, and that's the main problem I have. Another set of apologies if I'm being unclear, or if me not reading the entire thread has made me miss something. I have no qualms about retracting my statement.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1336520829' post='2965314'] I've lurked on Legion's forums some and I noticed everyone likes ponies. Legion-UE treaty, anyone? [/quote] I'd rather be known for torturing small mammals for sport than be known as pony-enthusiasts. We keep trying to crush the movement but it keeps bouncing back.

[quote name='hormones74' timestamp='1330148494' post='2927932'] CCC, hopefully Legion will have the balls to honor this treaty when and if the time even comes. [/quote] Would you care to substantiate your allegations? I don't think our problem at the moment is a lack of balls.

[quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1328119759' post='2912626'] Overall this has been a sorry last two weeks for me. I had to retire. No choice. Things that I needed to do that were much more important [ooc] than a game[ooc]. In my view Rok needed someone who could devote more time to her than I could. I chose Bob as my successor because he worked his way up the ranks fair and square. In fact, he was selected as Regent by Kait and was very nearly picked by her over me to be Emperor. Joe and Adel were both Chancellors, 3rd in line in my administration. For him to select Joe as Regent was also no surprise. When Bob told me that he informed MK that Kait and Hoo were no longer on the AA and free to be attacked, it is not what I would have done but it was his call to make. I understood that and even told him that if someone came for me and them having me would clear Rok's debt, I would do it and enjoy the ride down. Had he simply done what he said to me that day then likely we would not be here. Perhaps some would have left, but perhaps others could have spoken to him, changed his mind, worked things out in an amicable way. SOMETHING. However, that is not what happened. Bob and Joe proceeded in OOC attacks on Kait, attacks that he had subsequently said to me were partly in jest. No matter the motivation, those OOC attacks sparked an outrage among the membership that ended up where we are now. By the time I realized what was going on (remember...retired. RL issues) the forums were down, and only restored after Kait was contacted and had them restored herself. Adel is the Empress of Ragnarok. PERIOD. No amount of posturing by anyone changes that fact on the ground. Joe and Bob have no support in Ragnarok after what happened and though I wish dissent and Bob's mistakes could have been handled differently, it wasn't. Adel has the support of Rok's warriors and that is the only way you can lead. To MK, I know that you are not without reason. The Kait situation is a mess, but let's be honest: any raider that hit Kait, no matter the reason, was going to get nuked by Kait. You knew that when you came to her door. I sincerely hope that we can clear this mess up and, if you prefer, I will make myself available to assist in that regard should you think that helpful. Bob and Joe are smart guys, guys that I trusted and who served Rok well for a very long time. I feel no joy in the fact that it has come to this. In the end however, one must realize that a revolution has occurred. Adel, a member of RC for nearly a year, has taken the throne carried by the support of the vast majority of Ragnarok. She will find that the crown can be heavy, and I hope that she will have the strength for the coming trials. o/ Rok EDIT: Proofreading ftw [/quote] Classy post. Can we get this whole situation over with and move on to some drama that's not stupid?

I... what... I... uh... I have no idea where to stand on this issue.

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1322452915' post='2854225'] Since you know that's the case, I hope you guys can pull it together and make right on those mistakes. [/quote] Not sure what can be done besides just leaving it alone. Regent Pancras thought about posting a retraction or something, but decided that the damage had been done. I don't know what it is.... Legion members just seem to have a 'special' relationship with the Big Boards. We're very aware of this internally.

I like Smurf, and he screwed up. I like Regent Pancras, and he screwed up. Both of them know that this was the case.

[quote name='Chalaskan' timestamp='1322338314' post='2852792'] Imagine the Legion boards are in a frenzy, and lit up after this was posted. Sometimes isolation creates paranoia. You guys need to get out more. [/quote] A pretty fair summation.

For those of you who didn't catch on, I was joking. Apparently it was a bad joke.

Wait wait wait, I got this... So to fix our PR fallout from this thread I should apologize for our government's reactions, right? Right? The apologies of the government for the actions of our members deeply disgust me. Immediate dissociation comes across too strongly. Words fail me. I've rarely been more shocked. Think of the children! WHEN WILL THE APOLOGIES END?!?! Don't worry, bro, I got this covered. Situation contained.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1320727344' post='2841481'] And we all know how much MK is grateful for that every time I wake up and start posting on OWF again. [/quote] In that case, apologies. I was operating under the assumption that what you (Seerow) said was canon (sp?), not speculation.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1320674971' post='2841041'] Where did government say that, exactly? [/quote] I didn't check if Seerow is in government... is he?