gatorback05 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 pretty much sums it all up beautifully. Pretty much sums up the sum beautifully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Man, I forgot what a cesspit this place is. A couple of hints for those of you going on and on in here. Stop trying to take random people's personal opinions and transform them into official alliance policies. Stop trying to pretend you actually have the faintest idea of what another alliance you aren't in (whether that's ODN, an ODN ally, WTF, or anyone else) actually thinks or is doing. If you are *actually* curious, as opposed to trying to make PR points, you could try the novel approach of politely *asking* what you are wondering. Politely even (heaven forbid) Instead of working yourself up into a PR frenzy. ::amused:: But I suppose that would defeat the point of threads like this? All i've seen the last dozen or so pages in htis thread are the same band of idiots going in circles asserting that their views MUST be true when it comes to their analysis of the situation. Despite not being remotely connected to anyone involved. And then latching on to random phrases person x makes (ussualy taken out of context) to try and score PR points or pretending their opinions are official alliance policies. I suppose its too much to hope that we have a real discussion and not political hackery ((I feel like i'm on a program of the old cnn crossfire heh)). To those of you who back WTF... you might find you actually convince more people if you tried to calmly talk about the issues. Acknowledging where DBDC maybe messed up and where WTF also messed up. And held the convo in the hopes of having an informative and interesting discussion on a complicated situation (these things are NEVER cut and dry, and you expose your ignorance if you think it is). I'm a naive optimisted, I know... maybe one day though we will manage that here. If you are interested in knowing ODN's actual stance on things, I encourage you to visit our forums: Come to your embassy (or make one if you don't have one) and politely actually inquire. We are an open alliance and more than happy to share our thoughts, plans, policies, etc with people. When they ask politely and are interested in actual discussion as opposed to rabble rousing. Edited March 16, 2015 by OsRavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I'm delighted to say that ODN would have our support as they do in all things. Probably not the most sought after of things these days. CnG has long since ran it's course. He left multiple alliances on the eve of war to save his stats before joining DBDC. That's a summary of more than a few in the super tier, no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Probably not the most sought after of things these days. CnG has long since ran it's course. That's a summary of more than a few in the super tier, no doubt. No they went the 'honorable' route of making side agreements with each other because of the movement I've dubbed "friends>alliance" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Man, I forgot what a cesspit this place is. A couple of hints for those of you going on and on in here. Stop trying to take random people's personal opinions and transform them into official alliance policies. Stop trying to pretend you actually have the faintest idea of what another alliance you aren't in (whether that's ODN, an ODN ally, WTF, or anyone else) actually thinks or is doing. If you are *actually* curious, as opposed to trying to make PR points, you could try the novel approach of politely *asking* what you are wondering. Politely even (heaven forbid) Instead of working yourself up into a PR frenzy. ::amused:: But I suppose that would defeat the point of threads like this? All i've seen the last dozen or so pages in htis thread are the same band of idiots going in circles asserting that their views MUST be true when it comes to their analysis of the situation. Despite not being remotely connected to anyone involved. And then latching on to random phrases person x makes (ussualy taken out of context) to try and score PR points or pretending their opinions are official alliance policies. Yeah that old chestnut would work, if you ignore that those people were sent to WTF forums on official diplomatic business. Or does ODN send just random members to do their diplomacy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Man, I forgot what a cesspit this place is. A couple of hints for those of you going on and on in here. Stop trying to take random people's personal opinions and transform them into official alliance policies. Stop trying to pretend you actually have the faintest idea of what another alliance you aren't in (whether that's ODN, an ODN ally, WTF, or anyone else) actually thinks or is doing. If you are *actually* curious, as opposed to trying to make PR points, you could try the novel approach of politely *asking* what you are wondering. Politely even (heaven forbid) Instead of working yourself up into a PR frenzy. ::amused:: But I suppose that would defeat the point of threads like this? All i've seen the last dozen or so pages in htis thread are the same band of idiots going in circles asserting that their views MUST be true when it comes to their analysis of the situation. Despite not being remotely connected to anyone involved. And then latching on to random phrases person x makes (ussualy taken out of context) to try and score PR points or pretending their opinions are official alliance policies. I suppose its too much to hope that we have a real discussion and not political hackery ((I feel like i'm on a program of the old cnn crossfire heh)). To those of you who back WTF... you might find you actually convince more people if you tried to calmly talk about the issues. Acknowledging where DBDC maybe messed up and where WTF also messed up. And held the convo in the hopes of having an informative and interesting discussion on a complicated situation (these things are NEVER cut and dry, and you expose your ignorance if you think it is). I'm a naive optimisted, I know... maybe one day though we will manage that here. If you are interested in knowing ODN's actual stance on things, I encourage you to visit our forums: Come to your embassy (or make one if you don't have one) and politely actually inquire. We are an open alliance and more than happy to share our thoughts, plans, policies, etc with people. When they ask politely and are interested in actual discussion as opposed to rabble rousing. Honestly has it even changed? This seems to me like its the way its always been, with people having their own opinions and no amount of discussion, fact, propaganda, or hyperbole will change their opinion.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Honestly has it even changed? This seems to me like its the way its always been, with people having their own opinions and no amount of discussion, fact, propaganda, or hyperbole will change their opinion.. We all contribute to it even you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Honestly has it even changed? This seems to me like its the way its always been, with people having their own opinions and no amount of discussion, fact, propaganda, or hyperbole will change their opinion.. Os just gets frustrated when things aren't going his way and his standard is ::chuckle:: "the OWF sucks". But I don't see him, or ODN under his 1000-year reign, doing anything to fix it or enact their own vision. Edited March 16, 2015 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Actually I always say the OWF sucks. lol whether I get my way or not. And im not sure how i'm not 'getting my way' with this thread (or what my way actually is?) And takes two to tango. Im more than happy to have a serious conversation on the matter. And a polite one. Im less interested in catering to the PR spin of a bunch of knuckle-heads heh. You schatt just seem to get obsessed with anything to do with me. I still say its kinda creepy. I almost feel like you probably have a room in your house with a thousand pictures of me pasted all over it. edit to add: And for rebel. As anyone with an embassy with us could attest, we actually let all members go and post wherever they want. OWF, other alliance embassies, etc. We certainly dont limit it to gov. It allows on the whole for richer and wider conversation. But if something is an official ODN policy, we will always make sure to qualify it as such. If not its people expressing their opinions. Part of what I like about ODN is we are more than content to let different people share different thoughts. We arent required to walk in lockstep on things. Half of our 'diplomats' to foreign alliances are actually just random members who like hanging out with those alliances. Edited March 16, 2015 by OsRavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Nevermind, I was mistaken. Edited March 16, 2015 by Sigrun Vapneir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted March 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 You schatt just seem to get obsessed with anything to do with me. I still say its kinda creepy. I almost feel like you probably have a room in your house with a thousand pictures of me pasted all over it. Speaking of creepy, if I had given you my address when you asked for it, you could come and check your suspicions. A broken democracy has left you as the hetman at ODN for almost the entirety of the past 3 years, when/if I say "OsRavan" I am either giving the rest of the alliance the benefit of the doubt that it's just you, or I am giving you the credit and position in my speaking that ODN's electorate has given you. Don't like it? Retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreddieMercury Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 ODN, clearly diplomacy has fallen through, just attack WTF already. It would make things so much more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margrave Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 ODN, clearly diplomacy has fallen through, just attack WTF already. It would make things so much more interesting. Good heavens, and end this beautiful catastrophe? By all means, Os, please, continue to compound the failures of ODN to cogently deal with a sovereign alliance by continuing to post here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurthwaite Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I don't have time to read this whole thing. Read the 1st and last pages. Seems to me the rest is just a bunch of he said/she said, nonsense. ODN should follow through on their threats, because let's be honest; even, as I am sure they were, taken out of context, it is clear from the OP that is what was happening. WTF should respond accordingly. It would seem to work out well for all of us in the popcorn theater. :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Pretty much sums up the sum beautifully. Such untenable wit, no wonder you hear so much about that DBDC thing; some real new age stuff here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Only we haven't actually made 'threats' heh. Other then "If you attack us we'll smash you" Near as I can see there is some weird feedback loop where people who don't like us keep talking about us 'threatening people' and then using their own comments about threats to scream at ODN for making threats.... edit to add: And for schatt. I'm glad to see ODN has such a concerned advocate in you ::eye roll::. Hint, when we want your opinion on our democracy we'll ask for it. Until then it can just fall under yet another example of you PR bsing about other alliances cause you don't like their politics. Edited March 16, 2015 by OsRavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 edit to add: And for rebel. As anyone with an embassy with us could attest, we actually let all members go and post wherever they want. OWF, other alliance embassies, etc. We certainly dont limit it to gov. It allows on the whole for richer and wider conversation. But if something is an official ODN policy, we will always make sure to qualify it as such. If not its people expressing their opinions. Part of what I like about ODN is we are more than content to let different people share different thoughts. We arent required to walk in lockstep on things. Half of our 'diplomats' to foreign alliances are actually just random members who like hanging out with those alliances. Sure that is how normal embassies run and work around most if not all alliances, but there is a vast difference between members goofing around like 99.9% of the time in foreign embassies and diplomatic talks on the situation with DBDC and ceasing it. At worse non of them should of brought up that topic and demands if it wasn't policy, at best someone was interjecting in an issue above their pay grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 We all contribute to it even you. When did I claim otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBRaiders Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Such untenable wit, no wonder you hear so much about that DBDC thing; some real new age stuff here. This isn't new age stuff either, but I wouldn't expect a baby nation to have any grasp on what is new or old age in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBRaiders Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 ........................................................................................ Anyway no more replies will be given from me ..... I wanted to hear so much more wisdom from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) A Stewieland Propaganda Announcement. AlsoLlamastan is broken. Send another toy. KThnx Edited March 17, 2015 by Stewie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Only we haven't actually made 'threats' heh. Other then "If you attack us we'll smash you" Ever the victim. Poor ODN being bullied and threatened by WTF. You're so mean, Asa. Poor ODN just wanted a honorable discussion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Are we being bullied? I hadn't thought we were, but if you insist star. Being more serious, what we have here is pretty classic. A bunch of people don't like our allies. So you are nitpicking over what we say to try and build up the outrage machine. When WTF said similar things to us you didn't care. If we had said it to another alliance you wouldn't care. But because theres a little political dust up going on here, you see a chance to try and score some PR points. The you being a general. I didn't see anythng in the odn/wtf conversations... going *EITHER* way... that was truly threatening or anything more than the usual CN bs chatting. Edited March 17, 2015 by OsRavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 This isn't new age stuff either, but I wouldn't expect a baby nation to have any grasp on what is new or old age in this world. Assumptions are great. Nation age doesnt always reflect age in this world. Flaunting game is on point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Are we being bullied? I hadn't thought we were, but if you insist star. Being more serious, what we have here is pretty classic. A bunch of people don't like our allies. So you are nitpicking over what we say to try and build up the outrage machine. When WTF said similar things to us you didn't care. If we had said it to another alliance you wouldn't care. But because theres a little political dust up going on here, you see a chance to try and score some PR points. The you being a general. I didn't see anythng in the odn/wtf conversations... going *EITHER* way... that was truly threatening or anything more than the usual CN bs chatting. Wait, did I miss something? Did WTF go to your forums and make overly aggressive statements before this incident? If not, then drop that argument, because it is a truly awful defense for your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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