Bob Janova Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 [quote]In this case I found what I believed to be a defunct alliance ...[/quote] It's a fairly minor point (attacking an alliance for profit is wrong whether you believe them to be 'defunct' or not) but you can't possibly believe this when you attacked within hours of them having posting government signatures on an announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmatian Empire Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Will this be a defining moment when a tech raid no longer depends on the size of the alliance being attacked and/or the kind of attacks being used? Will a tech raid now be defined by how many wars are being declared on said AA? dun dun dunnnnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Artigo' timestamp='1329085697' post='2919209'] It's almost impossible to find raid targets at our size. We often find ourselves decomming nukes and most of our militaries to get a raid whenever there is an opportunity available, despite how strong the nation might be as we are always prepared to eat nukes.[/quote] Then you should take a page out of GOONS book and stay intentionally small, then you won't have a problem finding "targets". Problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1329089763' post='2919257'] Will this be a defining moment when a tech raid no longer depends on the size of the alliance being attacked and/or the kind of attacks being used? Will a tech raid now be defined by how many wars are being declared on said AA? dun dun dunnnnn [/quote] No, it won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmatian Empire Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='enderland' timestamp='1329096061' post='2919291'] No, it won't be. [/quote] suspense killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1329099028' post='2919308'] suspense killer [/quote] Sorry, I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artigo Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1329088152' post='2919245'] It's a fairly minor point (attacking an alliance for profit is wrong whether you believe them to be 'defunct' or not) but you can't possibly believe this when you attacked within hours of them having posting government signatures on an announcement. [/quote] Sure I could. And I did. Trying to get all their nations to peace out was way more chaos than raiding them in first place lol they're incredibly unorganized at best and that to me in addition to being unable to find relevant information on them says theyre basically disbanded without a formal announcement. [quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1329094013' post='2919281'] Then you should take a page out of GOONS book and stay intentionally small, then you won't have a problem finding "targets". Problem solved [/quote] I like my strategy better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 This thread was very informative, more people should post DoWs for them when alliances wage undeclared wars like this. The comments from NG on not wanting it to go nuclear were funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Well this didn't take long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 No treaties, no government = valid raid for me. Pure size doesn't make you a real alliance. If you want to avoid raid, go to peace mode or to a real neutral alliance. Also i can't really hear AGW complaining, some of them can buy the national war memorial finally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 By the definition of what NG officials said, they could approve a "raid" on any alliance. So im just gonna count this as boredome induced aggression while trying to get around posting an actual DoW. Why the !@#$%footing? I thought NG were tough guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamind Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1329099028' post='2919308'] suspense killer [/quote] Fake suspense creation attempter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='HellAngel' timestamp='1329133331' post='2919479'] By the definition of what NG officials said, they could approve a "raid" on any alliance. So im just gonna count this as boredome induced aggression while trying to get around posting an actual DoW. Why the !@#$%footing? I thought NG were tough guys. [/quote] Yes, and in the past there have been raids on GPA and other alliances which never were brought to the OWF by dozens of people. And with regards to there being more raids at lower levels, that's a lie. All the smaller nations are in alliances protected by various other smaller micros who are themselves protected. It's laughable. The reason I didn't want this to go nuclear is that non-nuclear can be diffused easier. As soon as nukes fly everyone wants the last say which while it is fun and gives me 200k more casualties, and makes my life harder Edited February 13, 2012 by Stewie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1329133156' post='2919478'] Also i can't really hear AGW complaining, some of them can buy the national war memorial finally [/quote] We're !@#$@#$ saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rebel Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1329141833' post='2919498'] And with regards to there being more raids at lower levels, [b]that's a lie.[/b][/quote] ...yes that is crap i can smell coming from you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity111 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1329147572' post='2919521'] ...yes that is crap i can smell coming from you [/quote] I'm going to have to agree with this sentiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Depends where you call lower levels. I have 3 nations in my range who are valid raid targets. All in PM. Rest of them are in alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocity111 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1329147746' post='2919523'] Depends where you call lower levels. I have 3 nations in my range who are valid raid targets. All in PM. Rest of them are in alliances. [/quote] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=227703 valid target in your range etc. Edited February 13, 2012 by Velocity111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TECUMSEH Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I fully support NG's actions if, for no other reason, it produces a thread where numerous NG posters offer their pointed opinions on, e.g., moralists. Very enjoyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I could never bring myself to care even in the slightest about stuff like this, either for or against, or wrap my head around why the definition of 'war' mattered at all and whatnot. Really feels like I'm missing out on some fun to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote name='Velocity111' timestamp='1329147860' post='2919525'] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=227703 valid target in your range etc. [/quote] Meteor is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 2/13/2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorNail Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 [quote]Meteor is a peaceful nation. War is not an option since 2/13/2012 [/quote] yeah about that, it's not that I got scared because comparing our nations, in a 1 on 1 I would've ate you for breakfast..it's more along the lines of you bringing your friends along to even the odds, maybe next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I'm not a fan of the tech raid (that's a pretty large and old group of nations to be raiding, and I personally feel they deserve to be left alone.) However, calling this anything but a raid is pretty ridiculous. NG obviously did not go full out, and have kept the damage to a limited scale (they could have done MUCH worse.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurunin Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Velocity111' timestamp='1329147860' post='2919525'] http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=227703 valid target in your range etc. [/quote] i do believe there's a reason he's in PM Edited February 13, 2012 by Lurunin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1329133156' post='2919478'] No treaties, no government = valid raid for me. Pure size doesn't make you a real alliance. If you want to avoid raid, go to peace mode or to a real neutral alliance. Also i can't really hear AGW complaining, some of them can buy the national war memorial finally [/quote] I don't see them complaining either. So in terms of the specific incident - no big deal. However, there IS an issue in that this "raid" is WAY outside the norm of what is usually considered a "raid" by common practice by most alliance and there is a big political distinction (and I'm not saying I agree with it, just that is how it is) between a "raid" and a war. "Raid" = a war with a nation that is considered acceptable by others due to the nation not being in an alliance or the alliance being under a particular size and unprotected and thus not worth defending by others. These are generally (not by my standards, or my alliances - but by enough groups that nothing is done about it) accepted as "only" a raid - and thus something okay. "War" = An action by one alliance against another (note - nothing says it can't be about getting resources or that it requires full slots to be used, etc. etc) that requires a war declaration. At least generally speaking - "aggressive" wars are still somewhat frowned upon politically. So - keeping in mind those two distinctions, why bother calling this action a raid and not a war? Non Grata could certainly make this a war and get both stuff and statistics from it without designating it as a "raid." In my opinion, it has everything to do with politics. "Just a raid" is okay and can be done without much complaining by others. Just the usual crowd of people (I believe that's already been pointed out) who "complain" about not liking "tech raids" generally. Easy to defend an action that is designated as a "raid." If this were a "war" on the other hand, well then Non Grata would be aggressively declaring a war on another alliance. That's not as okay by most people's standards. So, it's VERY much in Non Grata's interest to spin this as a "raid" and not a "war" in spite of the fact that what was done is absolutely beyond what most other raiding alliances would (by their own laws) find acceptable as a "raid". Smart on Non Grata's part. Edited February 13, 2012 by White Chocolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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