Freddy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1326829593' post='2901602'] To inform the world who your current allies are. It's kinda self explanatory. I think not announcing treaties and cancellations is absolutely ridiculous. Treaties are a huge portion of how the politics of this world function. Announcing treaty updates is part of that system. You really can't function as a legitimate political entity without working within the established system. [/quote] Maybe it is a necessary part of being a legitimate political entity, but there is little reason beyond those formalities to announce to the world that your alliance has become somewhat weaker. Seeing as we will hear about cancelations eventually anyway, yeah they should probably control how it is heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brehon Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Considering the game play hasn't changed, by offering this up (notices) you keep the community involved. Keep the community involved helps the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Once again it comes down to prudence for politics vs. prudence for the game's viability. When people won't even post something as lame as a treaty change in public you know public discourse is pretty well dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 It's bad because it restricts the ability for normal players to get into the political game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know MK has done silent treaty downgrades in the past, but I don't support them at all. If you make a decision you think may be unpopular or controversial, then you need to stick by your decision. Not too sure what brought this on, must be people only just finding out about ODN-Sparta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ilyani Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1326822797' post='2901566'] If you decide to make a FA move then you should have the balls to stand behind it. Post'em or others will. :science: [/quote] I agree with this, and despite being generally ~in the know~ when it comes to treaty cancellations I applaud anyone that does announce those that aren't posted to the OWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1326832853' post='2901642'] I know MK has done silent treaty downgrades in the past, but I don't support them at all. If you make a decision you think may be unpopular or controversial, then you need to stick by your decision. Not too sure what brought this on, must be people only just finding out about ODN-Sparta. [/quote] And Argent-PF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schad Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Aeternos Astramora' timestamp='1326833968' post='2901655'] And Argent-PF. [/quote] So now the truth comes out; no wonder you wanted that redundant and unannounced treaty we more or less signed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1326832853' post='2901642'] I know MK has done silent treaty downgrades in the past, but I don't support them at all. If you make a decision you think may be unpopular or controversial, then you need to stick by your decision. Not too sure what brought this on, must be people only just finding out about ODN-Sparta. [/quote] Or VE-RIA. There is a certain degree of political prudence in keeping cancellations private, and in Deinos/Gondor history, we've done it quietly because we thought the thread could get ugly between parties involved. I can agree with people who think it's bad for the future of CN, or at least the public politics of CN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 When we sign our Eternal MADP with the Bronies, we'll announce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1326824009' post='2901572'] I'll hold you to that. [/quote] Alright. Im not nearly as active as I use to be -wasnt aware of the sparta-odn cancellation- but if I hear of anything Ill make sure to post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1326812735' post='2901519'] When I'm in the alliance who might get ripped on in the thread, I'm in favor of not posting the cancellation. When I'm anybody else, I want to have fun ripping on the posting alliance in the cancellation thread. This is why I bet 90% of the posts here will be anti-silent cancellations even though they happen all the time. [/quote] This is the reason I was never in favor of posting cancellations. It's usually a humiliation for the party that gets cancelled on. If threads could still be locked on author's request, my stance would be different. Edited January 17, 2012 by Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1326840084' post='2901746'] This is the reason I was never in favor of posting cancellations. It's usually a humiliation for the party that gets cancelled on. If threads could still be locked on author's request, my stance would be different. [/quote] It's not humiliating if the split was indeed amicable. However, I do agree with you that the long running "experiment" of allowing threads to continue [i]ad nauseum[/i] may indeed discourage people from posting treaty changes and the like and make the problem worse. Bring back requesting (and granting) thread locks please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1326841203' post='2901761'] It's not humiliating if the split was indeed amicable. However, I do agree with you that the long running "experiment" of allowing threads to continue [i]ad nauseum[/i] may indeed discourage people from posting treaty changes and the like and make the problem worse. Bring back requesting (and granting) thread locks please. [/quote] What? That's not allowed anymore? Apparently I need to reread the ToS. How can that [i]not[/i] be allowed? It's a frickin forum! But now that you mention it, I haven't seen it done in ages. Although I agree with you, I also hardly see a point of posting an announcement just to have it locked from the OP. That seems more telling of the community then anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1326841203' post='2901761'] It's not humiliating if the split was indeed amicable. However, I do agree with you that the long running "experiment" of allowing threads to continue [i]ad nauseum[/i] may indeed discourage people from posting treaty changes and the like and make the problem worse. Bring back requesting (and granting) thread locks please. [/quote] Although threads that go: "X cancels on Y. I request a lock" are no fun either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1326845642' post='2901814'] Although threads that go: "X cancels on Y. I request a lock" are no fun either... [/quote] It's a lot better than making this game even less accessible to the small percentage it's currently accessible to. This thread could be linked when the next (or current?) "why CN is dying zomg" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) I think not announcing treaty cancelations makes the OWF boring. (in before WHAT A HYPOCRITE your alliance does this. You suck!) Edited January 18, 2012 by Omniscient1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Not announcing treaty cancellations is like not telling any of your friends you broke up with your girlfriend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiar Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1326822797' post='2901566'] If you decide to make a FA move then you should have the balls to stand behind it. Post'em or others will. :science: [/quote] Are you saying VE has no balls for canceling on RIA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Jaiar' timestamp='1326848527' post='2901847'] Are you saying VE has no balls for canceling on RIA? [/quote] More likely it's a recent issue and maybe cancellation periods haven't expired. That seems more reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAAAAAAAAAGGGG Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Alliances that cancel on another alliance have zero obligation to tell the OWF about the cancellation. Also, it's generally humiliating to the alliance being canceled on because of how much of a flame fest it becomes. If you don't want to announce it, you don't have to. OWF blowhards don't need to dictate your announcement policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch33kY Posted January 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1326832853' post='2901642'] Not too sure what brought this on, must be people only just finding out about ODN-Sparta. [/quote] ODN-Sparta and VE-RIA are the two most recent cases, but there have been few a while back. I don't think it matters so much for treaty downgrading, but for a cancellation it is pretty important to post it mainly for this reason: [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1326832290' post='2901633'] It's bad because it restricts the ability for normal players to get into the political game. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think they should be public, as I feel that not posting them runs somewhat counter to the purpose of playing politics. That said, I don't think it's a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxas Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 [quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1326847917' post='2901844'] Not announcing treaty cancellations is like not telling any of your friends you broke up with your girlfriend. [/quote] ^ This, tis awkward. But then again the treaties never say anything about having to announce it publicly only to require an x amount of time before the cancel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 TLR cancelled on RIA in private. We pretty much only informed our allies. I was hoping for an announcement but it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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