Amossio Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297649738' post='2631919'] Maybe you should at least check the wiki before making assertions about who's treatied to who. Whats this I see here, could it be, Oh snap [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91794"]A Legacy CSN MDoAP[/url]! [/quote] CSN hit loss first, without the use of any direct treaty, apparently the treaty chain lined up but it didn't go as planned so CSN declared anyways, just to clarify again, without any direct treaty link. Legacy shortly declared using their Oa part, just to clarify, oA means Optional Aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297649010' post='2631868'] I count two MDP+ vs. two MDP+ (NoR, NoV vs. GR, Brig.) And I count 4 NOIR alliances vs. 2. The four are on our side [/quote] Your side made it clear a while ago noir is nothing to them when sparta dowd nv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297650104' post='2631935'] Oh yes, I think Polaris is paying reps to VE. And I can't wait. [/quote] Prepare to be mistaken Edited February 14, 2011 by Ryan Greenberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The MVP Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1297650254' post='2631941'] Your side made it clear a while ago noir is nothing to them when sparta dowd nv [/quote] Isn't it hilarious how it all comes full circle and they try to pick another argument yet it doesn't work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueski Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1297648320' post='2631830'] Pixels isn't the only way to burn an alliance. Planet Bob has seen a few alliances take a lot of damage due to PR. Gramlins and \m/ come to the top of my mind first, but there are likely a few others. [/quote] The Grämlins weren't brought down by the finger waggling of people like you. It was a combination of poor leadership and IRON calling their bluff. DT can try to stick this one out as well but I don't see that working out well in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLights Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 IRON - Gre. v.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Axolotlia' timestamp='1297649883' post='2631924'] Its not very hard to do that when you make demands such as that, and then having your MoFA proceed to act in that manner. Learn2FA [/quote] Meh, just what I expect from an uninformed OWF poster. Way to ignore the "finer" points of their post. This is what happens when you get a bias twist on the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Man, it must be nice to grow up in a post-Karma world where this is considered "so absurd". So young and innocent [quote]Prepare to be mistaken [/quote] Prepare to never see peace. [quote]IRON - Gre. v.2 [/quote] Yes this is clearly the same. CSN refuses to give DT any peace terms at all unt... oh, !@#$, wait. Edited February 14, 2011 by Penkala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zessa Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm seeing a lot of "This isn't the whole story" by CSN and friends. Where's the rest, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297649708' post='2631917'] With all the class I'd expect from a DT member. Please, go beg another alliance to try to get you peace while simultaneously acting smug in negotiations, then act confused when it doesn't all work out in your favor. [/quote] Please point out in those logs where I was acting smug. And I take etiquette courses from Liz. Such a model MOFA in CN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dear Hunter Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 For anyone asking for CSNs spin attempt, go read Penkala's blog. You'll get their heavily biased part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Fronz' timestamp='1297650217' post='2631938'] holy sidewalks! were loosing? And we can't back up or threats? This sounds like a job for...THE SUPERFRIENDS! Man, we're terrible, just terrible. [/quote] Never said that you're "loosing"...but your warchests will not sustain a prolonged war against DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyndicatedINC Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297646046' post='2631750'] Hopefully, now, they will see reason and accept the reasonable peaceful resolution to all of this nonsense. [/quote] Plodding through this all made my head spin terribly. My sincerest condolences to you who have been forced to live through it all. I wish you the best of luck in getting as far away from this debacle as can be, as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Zessa' timestamp='1297650437' post='2631951'] I'm seeing a lot of "This isn't the whole story" by CSN and friends. Where's the rest, then? [/quote] Well I already touched on DT having allies to and attempt to threaten CSN into giving them white peace. I've touched on DT randomly deciding to damage a side of the war and activating a treaty to do so, rather than to defend an ally. And I've touched on the general arrogance and lack of good faith negotiations. There's also their "OWF Diplomacy" where they basically lie about what CSN is doing (well, they didn't lie... they just never admitted that CSN accepted their terms and then they pulled the terms). I mean there's more, but really, what more do you need? [quote]Never said that you're "loosing"...but your warchests will not sustain a prolonged war against DT. [/quote] It's a good thing that they have allies, then, isn't it? Edited February 14, 2011 by Penkala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarmatian Empire Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='MaGneT' timestamp='1297650064' post='2631934'] My impression is that Legacy is the one treatied to Hydra[/quote] no...your impression is wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealthkill Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='General Ozujsko' timestamp='1297650556' post='2631956'] Never said that you're "loosing"...but your warchests will not sustain a prolonged war against DT. [/quote] Yes, you can totally win this war. That's why you're surrendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297650430' post='2631950'] Prepare to never see peace. [/quote] Wait....so even more time to war with VE? Nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297650640' post='2631958'] Well I already touched on DT having allies to and attempt to threaten CSN into giving them white peace. I've touched on DT randomly deciding to damage a side of the war and activating a treaty to do so, rather than to defend an ally. And I've touched on the general arrogance and lack of good faith negotiations. I mean there's more, but really, what more do you need? [/quote] Threatening, eh? I'm curious now. Who threatened who, and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='NorthernLights' timestamp='1297650336' post='2631946'] IRON - Gre. v.2 [/quote] I was thinking the same thing, just didn't feel like posting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLights Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297650430' post='2631950'] Yes this is clearly the same. CSN refuses to give DT any peace terms at all unt... oh, !@#$, wait. [/quote] True - honestly I don't really care about the details. It just seems like it's going to be one of those situations that won't go away. That may be the only thing it shares with the IRON - Gre. thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) I don't like that anyone other than Polar is even being considered to pay reps. They came in on a defense clause people. It's not like they hit people with no treaty or physical connection to the war. Surely if you hail us for taking AZTEC in the manner we did, then giving DT reps for a defense clause entry entry is a little...well...hypocritical, no? Bottom line: I don't like myworld, but even I think this sucks. Edited February 14, 2011 by Hyperion321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I'm disappointed to see CSN asking for reps like this, good luck to DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeke+ Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I think the mistake has been made that this is about participants in a larger war trying to resolve a reasonable ending once a front has been closed. What is going on here is a couple individuals using a war as a cover for banditry. It's opportunistic extortion, plain and simple. I commend DT and LoSS for finally realizing what is going on. In peace time, I'm sure outsiders from all sides would try to step in to defuse this. Sadly, in these times of war the rational folks are otherwise engaged. You will either need to kneel before these blackmailers now or prepare for an extended guerrilla action until the larger war comes to a close. Realize too the larger war could mean many months for your struggle. It's hard to face the prospect of long months of unconventional war. It takes character. Yet I know the measure of your alliances.......you have that character. The thugs have said you will bleed heavily no matter if you submit or not. So return the favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 You stay classy, CSN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297649849' post='2631922'] Also, if you think these terms are bad, wait until you see the Orders'. [/quote] If we need your input on terms for Pacifica we'll give you a call. Don't stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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