Doitzel Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Well it provided that security for well over a year. Personally I think that all in all it was a successful bloc, despite how it ended. Welp, we got to Moscow. I'd call this invasion a success, wouldn't you, sponge? *sniff* Is something burning? Edited May 14, 2009 by Doitzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well it provided that security for well over a year. Personally I think that all in all it was a successful bloc, despite how it ended. The first time it was truly tested it folded like a cheap suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOONS Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I didn't like you, I'm glad you are gone, don't come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) I'm glad to see this - I look forward to the new era that is forth coming. As was said before the war started, [ooc]and was stolen from a great movie,[/ooc] we have rescued the world from an age of tyranny and mysticism and it's time to usher in a new age brighter than anything we could imagine. EDIT - Tags Edited May 14, 2009 by Heracles the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The first time it was truly tested it folded like a cheap suit. Touche. Since the formation of tC there has been 2 major conflicts... first, the noCB war to take down Polaris which wasn't so much a tC action as it was a coordination between Citadel and a few tC members. The next large conflict was this one now. And to claim that tC's power avoided conflict is pretty unreasonable as these conflicts have been pretty much "on schedule" (summer wars). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 There's probably a lesson in all this somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindom of Goon Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Well it provided that security for well over a year. Personally I think that all in all it was a successful bloc, despite how it ended. Short term success that leads to failure isn't really success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 These are interesting times, like those at the end of the Unjust War – for a few weeks or months the political stage is clear, and the world is watching and waiting for the next act. The next act already started. It has already spilled over into the public discourse if you're watching. I'm not worried about Karma becoming a hegemony one bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) You sure as hell aren't FAN and yet you speak so authoritatively on what our business is. I should assume you are some sort of subversive plotting against us, but the night has been good to me so I'll just assume were you just spewing verbal feces in an attempt to look like you knew something. I know, it's insane I can refer to every single VietFAN thread in recorded history to justify my point. I even, *gasp*, remember when NPO redeclared on you all. Apologies if you thought I intended to take "WUT" and "Continuum" off your belt. Historical revisions are awesome. Edited May 14, 2009 by Nizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I know, it's insane I can refer to every single VietFAN thread in recorded history to justify my point. I even, *gasp*, remember when NPO redeclared on you all. Apologies if you thought I intended to take "WUT" and "Continuum" off your belt.Historical revisions are awesome. Almost everyone with any substantial military capacity in the history of the game has wanted to down the NPO. What's the point you're trying to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 The first time it was truly tested it folded like a cheap suit. Not really Continuum's inability to come out of this war on top is a result of a change in policy from former members, some of which are now fighting on the other side. The aim of The Continuum was to provide political security to it's members, in it's full capacity it was more than able to do this and has to go down as perhaps one of the most stable and successful blocks CN has ever seen. Had some of it's members been happy with the political climate it created Continuum would continue to exist. Make no mistake outside forces did not break Continuum, the destabilization progress was a result of innovation and change in political thought from within Continuum itself. Innovation and deviance is necessary in any community to allow for evolution and change to take place, all majority opinions start out as minority opinions. It has been interesting to see this develop in CN over the past 6 months and all credit to those alliances who provided an alternative opinion even if it lacks in just as much substance as the one before it. I'm sure a year or so down the line this process will once again repeat itself and we will see conflicting ideologies in CN. If it is good for anything it certainly does help keep CN fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Almost everyone with any substantial military capacity in the history of the game has wanted to down the NPO. What's the point you're trying to make? Do go back to the original post. You're slipping, Chron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Do go back to the original post.You're slipping, Chron. No, I was at the original post. Even replied to mpol long before you did. What was your point, if not to be incredibly rude to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I know, it's insane I can refer to every single VietFAN thread in recorded history to justify my point. I even, *gasp*, remember when NPO redeclared on you all. Apologies if you thought I intended to take "WUT" and "Continuum" off your belt.Historical revisions are awesome. I am actually pretty sure FAN's stated purpose through all those threads was to get white peace, and as impressive as your resume of remembering when NPO re-declared on FAN is as someone who was actually involved in both declarations on FAN I think I have a bit more knowledge than you and I am pretty sure mpol has infinitely more knowledge on it than me so maybe this one time you should realize that you don't really know what you are talking about and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) Actually, Continuum did fail.The purpose of Continuum was to provide security for its member alliances. The fact that NPO and TPF are still being turned into cratered moonscapes, and most other former Q members are in the process of rebuilding from a disastrous war at the moment indicates to me that Continuum didn't work when it was needed to work. I concur with this. The next act already started. It has already spilled over into the public discourse if you're watching.I'm not worried about Karma becoming a hegemony one bit Well, the next act has started...Not sure how sarcastic your comment might be, so we may not agree on the particluars, only the general statement Not really Continuum's inability to come out of this war on top is a result of a change in policy from former members, some of which are now fighting on the other side. The aim of The Continuum was to provide political security to it's members, in it's full capacity it was more than able to do this and has to go down as perhaps one of the most stable and successful blocks CN has ever seen. Had some of it's members been happy with the political climate it created Continuum would continue to exist. Make no mistake outside forces did not break Continuum, the destabilization progress was a result of innovation and change in political thought from within Continuum itself.Innovation and deviance is necessary in any community to allow for evolution and change to take place, all majority opinions start out as minority opinions. It has been interesting to see this develop in CN over the past 6 months and all credit to those alliances who provided an alternative opinion even if it lacks in just as much substance as the one before it. I'm sure a year or so down the line this process will once again repeat itself and we will see conflicting ideologies in CN. If it is good for anything it certainly does help keep CN fresh. This is nicely written...propoganda. A little confusing though. If the point of the bloc was to provide political security, then how is it successful when destabilization as a result of change in political thought from within ended the bloc? The bloc brought about it's own downfall, so it worked? If the goal is security and stabilization, then the organization should change and adapt. The only reason for an organization to disappear is it it has achieved a specific purpose. With never ending long term goals such as political security, there is no reason that a bloc need to disappear unless the members simply can't keep it viable. And that appears to be what has happened here... Edited May 14, 2009 by BigKat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Expected. Vox is victorious! I celebrate our Vladimirian Victory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaera Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 "So this is how Hegemony dies . . . to thunderous applause!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I am actually pretty sure FAN's stated purpose through all those threads was to get white peace, and as impressive as your resume of remembering when NPO re-declared on FAN is as someone who was actually involved in both declarations on FAN I think I have a bit more knowledge than you and I am pretty sure mpol has infinitely more knowledge on it than me so maybe this one time you should realize that you don't really know what you are talking about and move on. I think we've gotten a bit off track. The post that started this was in response to someone saying FAN wanted to destroy Continuum. I clarified. I do remember atrophis repeatedly saying "Your turn is coming." I also remember the original (well, second original war) where FAN said they would pay NPO (and their lackeys) back. Perhaps FAN has since changed their stated intent, which did include white peace. If that's the case, I didn't get the memo...but I don't think the ones claiming they wanted to destroy Continuum are any different. Thanks, bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hombre de Murcielago Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Not really Continuum's inability to come out of this war on top is a result of a change in policy from former members, some of which are now fighting on the other side. The aim of The Continuum was to provide political security to it's members, in it's full capacity it was more than able to do this and has to go down as perhaps one of the most stable and successful blocks CN has ever seen. Had some of it's members been happy with the political climate it created Continuum would continue to exist. Make no mistake outside forces did not break Continuum, the destabilization progress was a result of innovation and change in political thought from within Continuum itself.Innovation and deviance is necessary in any community to allow for evolution and change to take place, all majority opinions start out as minority opinions. It has been interesting to see this develop in CN over the past 6 months and all credit to those alliances who provided an alternative opinion even if it lacks in just as much substance as the one before it. I'm sure a year or so down the line this process will once again repeat itself and we will see conflicting ideologies in CN. If it is good for anything it certainly does help keep CN fresh. Failure from within is still failure. Internal collapse or collapse due to external aggression, it makes little difference. One led to the other. The end result was the Continuum failing to protect the peace and stability of its members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coven Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 All things must come to an end. Been an honor serving with you all. Best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Enlighten us. It's likely that there will be more tyrants, morons, or my idols in the future. And we'll be glad to fight them, too. The GGA is still has a treaty with the NPO as well. Two actually we rescinded our original cancellation to them i believe as well as through OV. Moo already stated on the radio that those mewling, weak, pisspoor allies that cancelled on them are still considered cancelled by him. So it might make you feel good that you guys all came into the fight after Dr Fresh shamed you into it, but Moo's not so cuddly. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread. Every bloc will eventually fall apart. May the enemy nukes blot out the sun for the alliances in those blocs as they have for those who honored their commitment to this bloc. You and Degenerate108 should write a rock ballad on this matter. TPF pussied out whether or not they ended up fighting. You're not honorable in this war (nor were you ever, ever, ever), so you can hop on down from that high horse you rode into this thread. I'm sorry to see the Continuum dissolve. I hoped to see a Continuum2 consisting out of the remaining signatories. 90% of MHA members disagree with you (source: Continumm exit referendum poll, MHA forums, April 2009). We can but hope for the best. But I, as a dirty socialist bleeding heart, am rather fond of democracy on a global scale. "Democracy" on the global scale looks like some sort of League of Alliances. What you want is global anarchy. Oh damn you Crush, you got your 'interesting times' reference in before me I prefer a different allusion The journey finally comes to an end. Like it or hate it, but Continuum dominated the game for well over a year. Congrats on showing that a year's worth of domination resulted in 3 days worth of cancellations, overwhelming war, and dissolution. As necessary as this was, am sad to see this. Had some great times in this block.Also to those of you saying Continuum failed; as much as you may have disliked the bloc, it ruled the game for well over a year before choosing to break up. Hate em or love em, that's not a failure. See above. And if you think Q "chose" anything except the only option left to a bunch of people that no longer trusted each other as far as they could throw themselves, then you're preeeeeetty silly. I am actually pretty sure FAN's stated purpose through all those threads was to get white peace, and as impressive as your resume of remembering when NPO re-declared on FAN is as someone who was actually involved in both declarations on FAN I think I have a bit more knowledge than you and I am pretty sure mpol has infinitely more knowledge on it than me so maybe this one time you should realize that you don't really know what you are talking about and move on. One more card-carrying member of the Piss on Nizzle Club. Hope those boners are worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjohnny Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I give this an expected/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miley Cyrax Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 about time, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 At long last B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 As some have said, an end to an era. Whether Q served its creators' deigns and purposes well while it flourished is something for the creators and former participants to decide for themselves. Just as it is upto the detractors of Q to dissect, debate and collate available information to answer the very same question. It did however serve another purpose, one that maybe was not part of the design specifications. It proved to be the single most effective means after Pacifica, to bring together disparate alliances from all corners of the planet to unite in one effort. That in itself is no mean achievement. Everything said and done i am hopeful for a better tomorrow as i would like to believe the statements put out by many that were part of the Bloc, that they are looking at re-evaluation of a wide gamut of aspects of their presence on this planet. A great construct of bone, gristle and muscle, with steel and lead thrown in, in abundance. It, like everything else, came to an end. An end that some would claim to be self determined by Q, while yet others would put forth the claim that it was the only way out. It is ended nevertheless. Good luck to all that are impacted by this announcement, on either sides of the current conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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