Gibsonator21 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I think he's referring to a previous war when VE fought on the other side to GOD but still tried to protect GOD by only 'allowing' certain alliances to hit them. Nah, pretty sure he's talking about the Dave War when VE fought on GOD's side, but made it known they were only there "for GOD" and didn't have anyone else's best interest in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Nah, pretty sure he's talking about the Dave War when VE fought on GOD's side, but made it known they were only there "for GOD" and didn't have anyone else's best interest in mind. I certainly hope he isn't talking about that since VE's decision was appropriate for the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Any time you have to identify something as "a simple statement of fact" it almost certainly isn't. Omni is right though. Your acquiescence throughout the entire post-Karma era is a testament in itself to your thoughts on spying and kicking alliances while they're down. I could gather a large wealth of examples in which CnG actively participated in protecting spies (such as Dave war), provided passive and moral support for those actions (as with bros or with NSO-Legion incident. The time Zoom spied followed by several CnG members running to the thread to laugh at CSN's info. The time you and your lot made Vlad a folk hero for handing out GOD's war chests), or kicked alliances around while they were down (most notably Polar, although one could include several SF alliances. A very concrete example would be the MEAT incident. This is ignoring completely RoK's situation.). Your governmental figures, most notably Rushsykes and Magicninja have said publically they didn't give one fuck about the moral issues. They only wanted to beat up on SF. So again, please read up on recent history before making claims of how you've "never done something". It's really cute to see you guys become moralist as soon as you lose a little infra. If this is what the "new hegemony" is about, I'm going to be laughing a whole hell of a lot. Also to clear up confusion, my point is CnG/DH decrying spying and "rubbing a defeated opponents nose in the dirt" is hypocrisy at its finest. There is no "argument" it is a simple statement of fact. The sins of the ally are visited upon the bloc. Welcome to the SF experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 There is no amazing strategy. you went into peacemode and then came out when most of the fighting was done. Your allies fought to break down your enemies, you did not do much. You strategy is akin to your team bringing a football up the pitch doing a good performance to avoid tackles and losing the ball and then you(GATO) tapping the ball into the net despite giving no support to the team, then claiming that you're(GATO) brilliant. Holy crossed sports references batman. Pick one sport and stick with it for the whole metaphor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Safe to say that we would gladly fight along side VE in the future. GATO...hmm. Not my first choice. From the perspective of somebody who's been fighting alongside GATO, you'd be missing out. They're a better group than this thread gives them credit for. That's not a shot at VE by any means, they've certainly earned a level of respect on the global stage, but GATO would be far from the last group on a list of alliances I'd want on my side in coalition warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Watching magicninja's career sink is the best part of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrews Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 If more alliances fought with the dignity and class of Viridia, digiterra would be a much more enjoyable place. Sadly honour is deemed unnoteworthy in some cliques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Watching magicninja's career sink is the best part of this thread. Yet I still think more highly of him than you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Watching magicninja's career sink is the best part of this thread. This assumes GATO won't just re-elect him again. :| Why GATO :| Edited March 25, 2013 by Ogaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Holy crossed sports references batman. Pick one sport and stick with it for the whole metaphor. It is one sport, not handegg. What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. You mean losses could have been prevented by staying in peacemode. Edited March 25, 2013 by Commander shepard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rune Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Watching magicninja's career sink is the best part of this thread. We have elections up soon. We'll have to wait and see. Maybe he'll stand, maybe he won't. If he stands, maybe he'll win, maybe he won't. Or maybe we'll let someone else have a crack at it. But I don't think his career has sunk. Wishful thinking on your part, I feel. And then I ask myself, why would you feel pleasure if his career sinks. Maybe he is good at his job and you feel threatened by that in some way. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. Intelligence has nothing to do with honor, I'd burn in a war for VE after this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. Why would anyone listen to you talk about honor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Intelligence has nothing to do with honor, I'd burn in a war for VE after this event. Well that's good to hear seeing as you guys are MDoAP allies, although I'm somewhat surprised to hear that this is a change of your previous opinion. That you don't even bother to defend their intelligence or lack thereof only makes this post even more hilarious to me. Why would anyone listen to you talk about honor? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, holy shit hahahaha You really don't even want to go there with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Well that's good to hear seeing as you guys are MDoAP allies, although I'm somewhat surprised to hear that this is a change of your previous opinion. That you don't even bother to defend their intelligence or lack thereof only makes this post even more hilarious to me. I didn't know I needed to defend their intelligence when you were only questioning their honor, where in my comment does it say my opinion was changed? In fact it re-asserts my previous statement about their ties to GOD and their actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. Haha what the heck man? Aggression in war as a good thing and we'll buy more infra and tech when this is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generals3 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 What is it with everybody ITT having VE's nuts in their mouth? There is no 'honor' in being stupid and bum-rushing into a beat down that could have been partially mitigated with a basic use of tactics. So when people go peacemode it's cowardice and when they go full-out it's stupidity? Let me guess, only eQ is doing it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaquesparblue Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Watching magicninja's career sink is the best part of this thread.You really think Magic's career chances is in anyway linked to what some bunch of self-important people on the OWF think about him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I didn't know I needed to defend their intelligence when you were only questioning their honor, where in my comment does it say my opinion was changed? In fact it re-asserts my previous statement about their ties to GOD and their actions. I question both. There's absolutely nothing honorable about making a terrible strategic decision and throwing your nations into the meat-grinder needlessly. What you see as a valiant fighting effort is little more than poor leadership. Failing to use peacemode as an effective tactic to limit damage and pick your battles is just as worthy of ridicule as the overuse of peacemode. I mean, what were they hoping to achieve? Because what they got is smashed down to 1.5m NS and an ANS of under 12k. I don't blame Kowalski and others in VE for being pissed that other alliances in the coalition haven't taken nearly as much damage, but I think they're taking their anger out on the wrong target. Not that I don't think GATO has made a quite liberal use of peace mode (from an objective standpoint here), but VE's war tacticians must be complete morons. This is the second war in a row that VE have just given up on trying to think and bum rushed in to get annihilated; except this time I doubt they're going to get out early for being ~honorable~. So when people go peacemode it's cowardice and when they go full-out it's stupidity? Let me guess, only eQ is doing it right? There is a way to use peacemode effectively. This isn't rocket science. I joined NATO less than a week ago, and before that I was in an alliance completely neutral in this conflict due to conflicting treaty ties. I am hardly an EQ fanboy, which you could easily see if you've ever read any of my other posts this war. Hint: I defended GATO in some of their other threads, back when we were allied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 We have elections up soon. We'll have to wait and see. Maybe he'll stand, maybe he won't. If he stands, maybe he'll win, maybe he won't. Or maybe we'll let someone else have a crack at it. But I don't think his career has sunk. Wishful thinking on your part, I feel. And then I ask myself, why would you feel pleasure if his career sinks. Maybe he is good at his job and you feel threatened by that in some way. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. Oh yes, I'm shaking in my boots at the prospect of this train wreck being elected to keep making a mess of your defense department for another couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I question both. There's absolutely nothing honorable about making a terrible strategic decision and throwing your nations into the meat-grinder needlessly. What you see as a valiant fighting effort is little more than poor leadership. Failing to use peacemode as an effective tactic to limit damage and pick your battles is just as worthy of ridicule as the overuse of peacemode. I mean, what were they hoping to achieve? Because what they got is smashed down to 1.5m NS and an ANS of under 12k. I don't blame Kowalski and others in VE for being pissed that other alliances in the coalition haven't taken nearly as much damage, but I think they're taking their anger out on the wrong target. Not that I don't think GATO has made a quite liberal use of peace mode (from an objective standpoint here), but VE's war tacticians must be complete morons. This is the second war in a row that VE have just given up on trying to think and bum rushed in to get annihilated; except this time I doubt they're going to get out early for being ~honorable~. No, you didn't question their intelligence, you flat out called them stupid. Which is not the same thing as questioning, it's assuming. Everything they did is honorable, by the very definition of honorable. Everything in your conclusion has nothing to do with what honor is and has to do with intelligence which as I already told you is not what you initially questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Hereno, I think it's important to put some things in perspective. Yes VE went all in on our initial blitz as we have in every war we've fought. The difference this time is NPO, IRON, and AI did a hell of a job in staggering us. So what do you do when you're staggered? Well if you have the war chest or the will, you keep attacking. And yeah some of us did in those rare times when we found ourselves out of anarchy, declare more wars instead of going into PM, but that was because being in PM is boring and I hate being bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rune Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Oh yes, I'm shaking in my boots at the prospect of this train wreck being elected to keep making a mess of your defense department for another couple of months. So, I was wrong. I can live with that. There must be some other reason why you'd take pleasure in seeing if his career goes down the tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 So, I was wrong. I can live with that. There must be some other reason why you'd take pleasure in seeing if his career goes down the tubes. When you've got nothing else going for you, I would assume other people's problems would be that much funnier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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