Emperor Whimsical Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 [quote name='Rigas' timestamp='1348764441' post='3034825'] Any man can have his opinion, and his intellect is measured by it, but I hope you can see the irony of an alliance that never fights calling out for cowardice an alliance that carries the scars of all globals since its creation. Int has fought against 21 alliances so far... [/quote] Your past "scars" do not excuse cowardice, sorry if you were told otherwise. VL, don't think this means I won't be coming after you come next war. :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilyn Caster Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 INT, you're better off without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmansfield68 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Excellent news, I'll have a smoke. [img]http://www.popularsmokers.com/albums/keith-richards/rolling_stones_32.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Azreal' timestamp='1348760431' post='3034802'] LSF had a choice too, be patient or go off half cocked guess which one INT was in favour of and guess which one LSF decided to do? [/quote] The one CnG decided upon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azreal Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1348805245' post='3035067'] The one CnG decided upon? [/quote] Seeing as CnG is an MDAP bloc, when one of the alliances makes a decision it in effect is the bloc making said decision, so yes the one INT decided upon was also the one CnG decided upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Azreal' timestamp='1348822928' post='3035123'] Seeing as CnG is an MDAP bloc, when one of the alliances makes a decision it in effect is the bloc making said decision, so yes the one INT decided upon was also the one CnG decided upon. [/quote] And you see nothing wrong with this? An alliance's sovereignty overrides any and all treaty obligations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 When you join CnG you give up your [s]soul[/s] sovereignty in favor of a greater good(protect MK). I thought everyone knew that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azreal Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1348835210' post='3035134'] And you see nothing wrong with this? An alliance's sovereignty overrides any and all treaty obligations. [/quote] That is not what your point was, you were making it out that the rest of CnG dictated INT's actions, that was an incorrect assumption consdiering it was INT who was dictating what CnG would do, other members had their own preferance for which action should be taken, and it was not as clear cut as you would have it be seen, and the alliances maintain sovereignty, we all knew what we where signing up for when we joined CnG, and we all maintain the ability to seperate ourselves from CnG if we feel that it is the best course for our alliance so how exactly is our sovereignty infringed exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Azreal' timestamp='1348837873' post='3035143'] That is not what your point was, you were making it out that the rest of CnG dictated INT's actions, that was an incorrect assumption consdiering it was INT who was dictating what CnG would do, other members had their own preferance for which action should be taken, and it was not as clear cut as you would have it be seen, and the alliances maintain sovereignty, we all knew what we where signing up for when we joined CnG, and we all maintain the ability to seperate ourselves from CnG if we feel that it is the best course for our alliance so how exactly is our sovereignty infringed exactly? [/quote] I would never attribute absolute betrayal by one member of a bloc to all the members of the bloc. The only thing still puzzling me is what did INT do with the 30 pieces of silver. Assumptions are they bought a piece of land outside of town, but I think it more likely they simply threw it back at the temple priests at NoR. Whatever the case, they certainly aren't grief stricken or looking for a tree to hang themselves, so ultimately the analogy only goes so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azreal Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1348838782' post='3035144'] I would never attribute absolute betrayal by one member of a bloc to all the members of the bloc. The only thing still puzzling me is what did INT do with the 30 pieces of silver. Assumptions are they bought a piece of land outside of town, but I think it more likely they simply threw it back at the temple priests at NoR. Whatever the case, they certainly aren't grief stricken or looking for a tree to hang themselves, so ultimately the analogy only goes so far. [/quote] Wait sorry INT betrayed LSF for NoR now? I thought it was because MK whistled and we had to come running with our tails wagging? Perhaps there is no grief because there was no betrayal? The fact of the matter people where throwing out VL's quote about "dishonouring the treaty" because he was "high government" but when others who where in gov at the time speak their minds they are clearly brainwashed MK lackeys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 [quote name='Azreal' timestamp='1348839350' post='3035146'] Wait sorry INT betrayed LSF for NoR now? I thought it was because MK whistled and we had to come running with our tails wagging? Perhaps there is no grief because there was no betrayal? The fact of the matter people where throwing out VL's quote about "dishonouring the treaty" because he was "high government" but when others who where in gov at the time speak their minds they are clearly brainwashed MK lackeys [/quote] How quickly does your tail wag when thrown a scrap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momentum Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Good stuff. Good luck on your future endeavours UCR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorback05 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I am sorry that this treaty has ended but we end it with the utmost respect to INT and in no way meant for any bad blood between the UCR and INT. For what VL planned on doing and the tactics as unsettling as that was to hear from him is in the past and we plan to look in to the future. He told us all about what happened and to that i respect him for even admitting to the allegations of the images posted. Again, it pains me to have the treaty end but we as an alliance felt that it did not correspond with our own views withing the leftist sphere. I hope that both us and INT can move forward and one day get back to seeing eye to eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) This is not a defeat for class solidarity. This is, in fact, a victory. First the petite bourgeois, self-procleimed "anarchists" jumped ship, as is common with middle-class radicals and other fake leftists. Next, the authoritarian dinosaurs follow suit. No big surprise there. It wouldn't be the first time the Stalinists have betrayed the working class. The working men and women of the International are more united than ever before. INT [b][i]is[/i][/b] the united left. The counterrevolution is doomed to failure. Power to the people and their representatives on the Central Committee! Viva INT! -Craig Edited September 28, 2012 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) Arise ye starvelings from your slumbers... Edited September 28, 2012 by Sabcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 the united left that chooses fascists over fellow socialists, sounds like INT is the [i]true[/i] leftist alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1348863067' post='3035320'] the united left that chooses fascists over fellow socialists, sounds like INT is the [i]true[/i] leftist alliance. [/quote] ssshhhhhh dont tell INT that they turn there backs on the left Edited September 28, 2012 by keeology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadeev Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Wait what? Craig is talking about class solidarity? Well it seems INT is having magic mushrooms for dinner. But then again imperialists have always hidden behind the class war when things get messy. Seeing Azreal fliping out in this thread means INT getting real bad publicity. And in that agony they try to save what is left to save. Good job UCR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1348863067' post='3035320'] the united left that chooses fascists over fellow socialists, sounds like INT is the [i]true[/i] leftist alliance. [/quote] Beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Azreal' timestamp='1348839350' post='3035146'] Wait sorry INT betrayed LSF for NoR now? I thought it was because MK whistled and we had to come running with our tails wagging? [/quote] I think you thought it right. UCR your are better off without Internoptional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crownguard Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 They make cream for all the butthurt that is on display here. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobblies Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Craig' timestamp='1348857746' post='3035267'] This is not a defeat for class solidarity. This is, in fact, a victory. First the petite bourgeois, self-procleimed "anarchists" jumped ship, as is common with middle-class radicals and other fake leftists. Next, the authoritarian dinosaurs follow suit. No big surprise there. It wouldn't be the first time the Stalinists have betrayed the working class. The working men and women of the International are more united than ever before. INT [b][i]is[/i][/b] the united left. The counterrevolution is doomed to failure. Power to the people and their representatives on the Central Committee! Viva INT! -Craig [/quote] LOL, why does this sound hollow and full of desperation? You guys are barely a leftist alliance anymore just a bunch of POWINDAH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shwampy Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 [quote name='sir pwnage' timestamp='1348766785' post='3034842'] And NEW-DF was what, exactly? Us, Fark, and TPE v. NEW + PC/iFOK nations might just be the most even war of the post-Karma era, with the possible exception of Legion/NSO. Plus, it was even a war we fought to defend an alliance that technically didn't even exist. I know it's not convenient to your "INT doesn't care about its allies" line, but it did happen. [/quote] that would be the war where LSF volunteers joined INT in order to help in the war? [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/cybernations/images/e/ea/Newwar.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 (edited) sad to see http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TwJaELXadKo#t=70s good luck to both alliances Edited September 29, 2012 by Anarquista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Crownguard' timestamp='1348890011' post='3035534'] They make cream for all the butthurt that is on display here. Just saying. [/quote] Is that cream called "ditching the allies you can't trust" ? Edited September 29, 2012 by supercoolyellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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