Bill Wallace Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295365761' post='2581416'] Because unlike VE, FAN was actually attacked in a completely verifiable and indisputable way (a spy operation directed against one of their nations) and thus their response (to attack) was unquestionably in the right. [/quote] Do you see the double standard here? I'm mean come on, do you? [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1295365998' post='2581423'] You'd better get back in your bedroom before I blister that butt. [/quote] Haha. Now see, this was a good retort. Much better than the wild eyed, foaming at the mouth type statements we sometimes see you make in regards to my alliance. Anyways, I have no hate for NpO and I hope both sides can enjoy themselves while blowing stuff up and having a little fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1295367812' post='2581466']The blood of loyal and truehearted Viridians such as yourself has been misappropriated by the sycophantic office of the Lord Protector for too long.[/quote] Ah, but 'tis always the way with such people. The blindly loyal become pawns for the kingmakers. [quote name='Bill Wallace' timestamp='1295367857' post='2581468']Do you see the double standard here? I'm mean come on, do you?[/quote] Not really a double standard. FAN had one of their nations attacked directly (with a spy op) by a nation of the offending alliance. Pretty clear cut. On the other hand, VE was supposedly deliberately targeted by NpO because a spy with a grudge set them (NpO) up. I don't really see the comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix von Agnu Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1295367318' post='2581459'] I said losing battles. UjW was the furthest thing from a fight that a person can mention, and it proves exactly what I have always said about VE: That they will wag their little tail for anybody and do whatever they're told so long as they get to exist. [/quote] We're just the battered wife of the rest of Pandora's box after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Smooth' timestamp='1295366859' post='2581449'] Yes, I was. I didn't want VE in SF. Lucky for me, it worked. [/quote] Riiiiiight. Your diplomatic mastery is unchallenged, champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdur Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295366781' post='2581446'] Not really. You've got some scheme cooked up in your head that involves VE: I do not. [/quote] Sorry to disappoint., but do not have an scheme that involves VE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='abdur' timestamp='1295368710' post='2581484'] Sorry to disappoint., but do not have an scheme that involves VE. [/quote] Why so critical of the war then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1295368110' post='2581475'] We're just the battered wife of the rest of Pandora's box after all! [/quote] I have a different word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Caspian Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arcturus Jefferson' timestamp='1295368619' post='2581482'] Riiiiiight. Your diplomatic mastery is unchallenged, champ. [/quote] From what I remember, Fark apologized for your behaviour in that thread as well so you've hardly got a leg to stand on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Lord Caspian' timestamp='1295369005' post='2581497'] From what I remember, Fark apologized for your behaviour in that thread as well so you've hardly got a leg to stand on. [/quote] I never claimed VE never disbanded, and it was VE's Q&A to sell their application to SF, not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strelock Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 go get em VE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdur Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295368825' post='2581488'] Why so critical of the war then? [/quote] Just think that more diplomacy should have been given more thought. And I don't really like seeing curbstomps much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ashton Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='abdur' timestamp='1295369899' post='2581514'] Just think that more diplomacy should have been given more thought. And I don't really like seeing curbstomps much. [/quote] Curbstomp? Polaris [i]always prevails! [/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midkn1ght Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1295364169' post='2581363'] The New Polar Order did not commit an act of aggression. They did not send a spy into VE in an attempt to gain information and corrupt them from the inside. An individual, who was not a member of NpO, had already decided to spy on VE. "They committed an act of aggression and this is a defensive war!" is just an easy way for VE's war to go smoothly and without complications for "that side" of the web. [/quote] This. I love you VE, but you're rolling them for being stupid enough to allow themselves to be set up by a guy with a grudge who was friendly with Dajobo, not because they were actively running a spy ring. You should of asked for his resignation, or Dajobo's head on a platter at the worst, not rolled the whole alliance. Warchest info a day 1 member can see? Really? You've got every right to roll someone for any reason you deem fit, but this whole thing is stupid that it's going to come to this. Blow them up because you don't like them, blow them up cause you think they're a threat, but at least be honest about it. You're our brothers, and you know I'll always luv ya, but man, I think this could of been avoided in 3 minutes with some cooler heads in a room. Edited January 18, 2011 by Midkn1ght Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted January 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='abdur' timestamp='1295369899' post='2581514'] Just think that more diplomacy should have been given more thought. And I don't really like seeing curbstomps much. [/quote] The only thing that would make this a curb stomp is preemptive self-defeatism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) Wow, page 45 already... Ok, we have here several classic no-nos: 1. Trusting anyone that would use a Bin Laden avatar. 2. Trusting anyone that was ever associated with NSO. 3. Joking around about spying, then actually having a peek at the results of spying. 4. Associating with bored people, intent on stirring up trouble with no clear agenda other than lulz in the facepalm sense. 5. Alliance that all but backstabbed previous allies leaving them to burn as they got cut down in a frontal assault on C&G getting within 50 feet of screenshots they should never see. Yeah, this is going to enjoyable to watch, sorta. [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1295370215' post='2581520'] The only thing that would make this a curb stomp is preemptive self-defeatism. [/quote] Or NpO's allies deciding that facing Umbrella, MK, Athens, and a host of others aren't great combat odds. But I'm rooting for your war, honest. Edited January 18, 2011 by ChairmanHal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='abdur' timestamp='1295369899' post='2581514'] Just think that more diplomacy should have been given more thought. And I don't really like seeing curbstomps much. [/quote] Excessive diplomacy is the reason we haven't had a war in so long. There comes a few times in our lives when one must say: $%&@ Diplomacy. A second in command of an alliance aiding and abetting a spy after nearly a full year of blue balls is absolutely one of those times. Unless you'd rather we all just sit around and talk at each other until the end of the world? [quote name='Midkn1ght' timestamp='1295370087' post='2581517']I think this could of been avoided in 3 minutes with some cooler heads in a room.[/quote] See above. People like you are what is wrong with the world. Edited January 18, 2011 by Voytek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Greenberg Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Midkn1ght' timestamp='1295370087' post='2581517'] Blow them up because you don't like them, blow them up cause you think they're a threat, but at least be honest about it. [/quote] This. I would have loved if you just attacked us because you don't like us or if we were considered a threat. [i]Would[/i] have been an awesome DoW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295362776' post='2581333'] Well, if you do actually manage to go against what Hoo seems to have noticed, grow a pair and defend your ally then I'll be quite pleasantly surprised, won't I. Until then, I'll continue to criticise cowardice when I see it. [/quote] [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/qzkruv.jpg[/IMG] Allow me to direct your attention [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=96899]to this thread[/url] for a moment, where people tell your alliance to grow a pair for over 20 pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewie Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1295370263' post='2581521'] Or NpO's allies deciding that facing Umbrella, MK, Athens, and a host of others aren't great combat odds. But I'm rooting for your war, honest. [/quote] Nah, it's because they are scared of PC and iFOK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1295370462' post='2581526'][IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/qzkruv.jpg[/IMG] Allow me to direct your attention [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=96899]to this thread[/url] for a moment, where people tell your alliance to grow a pair for over 20 pages.[/quote] Not my alliance that needed to grow a pair, unfortunately. Also, it is worth noting that some of the players so keen on war against Polar were... not so keen on war against certain other [i]agents provocateur[/i]. Thus, I call a double standard. But nice try (not) at making a relevant entry to the thread. Edited January 18, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1295370381' post='2581525'] This. I would have loved if you just attacked us because you don't like us or if we were considered a threat. [i]Would[/i] have been an awesome DoW. [/quote] No, you still would have cried about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295370284' post='2581523'] Excessive diplomacy is the reason we haven't had a war in so long. There comes a few times in our lives when one must say: $%&@ Diplomacy. A second in command of an alliance aiding and abetting a spy after nearly a full year of blue balls is absolutely one of those times. Unless you'd rather we all just sit around and talk at each other until the end of the world? See above. People like you are what is wrong with the world. [/quote] You can't argue that VE is within the right for starting the war for IC reasons and at the same time argue boredom and OOC reasons and we haven't had war in too long. This kind of crap needs to stop. Take a stand IC, please. --Oops, you have, what I meant was actually stick to it instead of running to the "we're bored" argument Edited January 18, 2011 by Cairna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1295371122' post='2581542'] No, you still would have cried about it. [/quote] I don't know about Polar, but I'd have found it hilarious that someone finally manned up enough to use this as a CB for a large-scale war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janax Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 [quote name='Arrnea' timestamp='1295370977' post='2581540'] Not my alliance that needed to grow a pair, unfortunately. Also, it is worth noting that some of the players so keen on war against Polar were... not so keen on war against certain other [i]agents provocateur[/i]. Thus, I call a double standard. But nice try (not) at making a relevant entry to the thread. [/quote] Boo. Hoo. Maybe it's you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='janax' timestamp='1295371268' post='2581548']Boo. Hoo. Maybe it's you?[/quote] There's a difference between sticking up for yourself and taking the bait. VE seems to have done the latter, if I guess Lennox's intentions properly (assuming VE is in good faith when they say that they didn't put Lennox up to it). In any case, we digress. This is about VE, iFOK, PC, Misfits and Polar... not the SOS Brigade. Edited January 18, 2011 by Arrnea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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