Merrie Melodies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292222' post='2507776'] What possible financial loss could there be for Heft here? [/quote] A member of MK did commit an act of war on NSO, will MK drop this member, support this act of war or work out some compense wit NSO? http://www.cybernations.net/search_spies.asp?searchstring=All&search=Heft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292222' post='2507776'] What possible financial loss could there be for Heft here? [/quote] [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1289222391' post='2506017'] An appropriate reparation is not measured by its equivalence to the damage caused. It is measured by its ability to deter the violation in the future. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutkase Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292222' post='2507776'] What possible financial loss could there be for Heft here? [/quote] While their would be no financial loss, their is the fact fact a MK nation with over 900 days of AA seniority spied on a NSO nation. In which reps or expulsion is usually the end result. Edited November 9, 2010 by nutkase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1289292522' post='2507783'] While their would be no financial loss, their is the fact fact a MK nation with over 900 days of AA seniority spied on a NSO nation. In which reps or expulsion is usually the end result. [/quote] Why would there be reps? Is really any calculable loss associated with a failed spy run against your nation? How would you decide what to pay? edit: Can't NSO just spy the offending nation themselves, and have everything be even? Edited November 9, 2010 by Sandwich Controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292651' post='2507785'] Why would there be reps? Is really any calculable loss associated with a failed spy run against your nation? How would you decide what to pay? [/quote] That's true, you cannot put a price on a broken heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292651' post='2507785'] Why would there be reps? Is really any calculable loss associated with a failed spy run against your nation? How would you decide what to pay? [/quote] How did you decide what NSO should pay with the trade issue? Further, do you deny that nation on nation spying is an act of war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Letum' timestamp='1289292720' post='2507786'] That's true, you cannot put a price on a broken heart. [/quote] Didn't Archon just? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292651' post='2507785'] edit: Can't NSO just spy the offending nation themselves, and have everything be even? [/quote] Would that be similar to MK just taking care of the offending nation in the TC incident themselves also? Why the change of heart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) ^ no because we're talking reps not destroying the nation [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1289292747' post='2507787'] How did you decide what NSO should pay with the trade issue? Further, do you deny that nation on nation spying is an act of war? [/quote] That obviously had an actual calculable financial loss. In my [i][u][b]personal opinion[/i][/b][/u], I would not be OK with that being done to me, but others may disagree! Edited November 9, 2010 by Sandwich Controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloVille Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1289283280' post='2507403']Should the Sith Order fail to deliver, then the Kingdom will interpret the deal as reneged and will respond accordingly.[/quote] Late to the party? Maybe. Stylish and attractive? Always. By "respond accordingly" are you saying that MK will allow their nations within range of the demasked ghost-or-not to attack aforementioned maybe-was-a-ghost that actually went ahead and farked the MK trade circle up? He should be the only person responsible, right? Unless there is proof that NSO sanctioned and encouraged the action taken, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292651' post='2507785'] Why would there be reps? Is really any calculable loss associated with a failed spy run against your nation? How would you decide what to pay? edit: Can't NSO just spy the offending nation themselves, and have everything be even? [/quote]Besides strategic losses, it is a rather blatant act of aggression against NSO. I'm sure if MK received a spy attack of this nature that they'd be calling on Archon to throw another tantrum on the forums to get another couple hundred in tech reparations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1289292924' post='2507790'] ^ no because we're talking reps not destroying the nation That obviously had an actual calculable financial loss. In my [i][u][b]personal opinion[/i][/b][/u], I would not be OK with that being done to me, but others may disagree! [/quote] Fair enough, but on the first point, unless I missed it somewhere, MK has never shown that there were actual damages that required reps beyond the 3M in aid. I don't believe any proof has been put forward that the members of the TC actually had to back collect short a TC member. If I missed that evidence my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote]15M/250 tech would seem reasonable, no?[/quote] MK's initial offer, likely. But their skilled counterparts at NSO will negotiate the reps down to $3m/0 and get themselves a medal for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 With all this criticism, we're going to be swimming in reparations shortly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vol Navy Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 I am curious as to how this act of aggression against the Sith will be handled, it also lends a great deal of credence as to who was behind the other spy attack vs NSO earlier this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Denial' timestamp='1289293248' post='2507796'] With all this criticism, we're going to be swimming in reparations shortly! [/quote] om nom nom nom tech. Denial for King 2011! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Instr' timestamp='1289293171' post='2507794'] MK's initial offer, likely. But their skilled counterparts at NSO will negotiate the reps down to $3m/0 and get themselves a medal for it. [/quote] I will admit, that made me chuckle, thanks good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Instr' timestamp='1289293362' post='2507799'] om nom nom nom tech. Denial for King 2011! [/quote]I think you mean prince. Archon will invariably be called back from retirement whenever something resembling real leadership is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdur Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 I am quite interested to see how MK defends this full blown act of war against NSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President S O Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1289288533' post='2507688'] For sure, each of those people lost about 10 million in back collects.... 50mil lost to gain 15mil+250 tech, definitely not very profitable. It's kind of you to think about the real victims in this story, which everyone else seems to be ignoring in favor of the politics. [/quote] Wait.. so you're saying, the guy who canceled the trade, canceled right before the other 5 nations collected? He so perfectly timed it for them all to lose out? That is ridiculous. It is your own responsibility to check that your trades and other relevant options are in order before you collect. If they're not, find a temp and correct the wrongs. Personal responsibility can go a long way, and could have prevented all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1289293630' post='2507801'] I think you mean prince. Archon will invariably be called back from retirement whenever something resembling real leadership is needed. [/quote] I find it amusing how you switch from attacking Archon and calling him a terrible leader and possessing the moral character of Satan, to attributing him with "real leadership", dependent upon whoever you wish to assail with your latest tide of !@#$%^&*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elorian Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 Ah. Good old RV stirring up dust... Bored much? *smiles* Was all this really necessary? Unmask your ghosts, trade with reliable folks. And don't cry after you've agreed to something. This is hardly the stuff that puts NSO back on the map and crushes MK. It's actually a bit embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Elorian' timestamp='1289294453' post='2507813'] Ah. Good old RV stirring up dust... Bored much? *smiles* Was all this really necessary? Unmask your ghosts, trade with reliable folks. And don't cry after you've agreed to something. This is hardly the stuff that puts NSO back on the map and crushes MK. It's actually a bit embarrassing. [/quote] This is probably the post I agree with most in the entire thread. Really, when it comes down to it, this entire situation is unbecoming of both alliances. The Kingdom has the capacity to be a much more nefarious, calculating villain; the New Sith Order is capable of much more interesting intransigence. All either alliance has to show for their recent efforts is a whole lot of terrible posting from all corners of the Cyberverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 [quote name='Denial' timestamp='1289294317' post='2507811'] I find it amusing how you switch from attacking Archon and calling him a terrible leader and possessing the moral character of Satan, to attributing him with "real leadership", dependent upon whoever you wish to assail with your latest tide of !@#$%^&*. [/quote] Perhaps he is insinuating that the moral character of Satan is an integral part of "real leadership"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted November 9, 2010 Report Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Instr' timestamp='1289293171' post='2507794'] MK's initial offer, likely. But their skilled counterparts at NSO will negotiate the reps down to $3m/0 and get themselves a medal for it. [/quote] Remains to be seen if NSO starts off with an excessive demand. Edited November 9, 2010 by shahenshah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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