Van Hoo III Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) They kicked out DJ because he made a joke (in poor taste considering recent events) about releasing sensitive logs to Vox. So they're making a pre-emptive "WE MEANT IT THEN BUT NOT NOW PLEASE DON'T HATE US!!!" announcement.Congratulations, GGphAil. Cut your losses and just steer clear of the OWF if you actually want any hope of regaining something that resembles that "Dignity" thing. Actually, they put him on EZI for applying to get back in to the GGA. They didn't get the chance to kick him out. I know the mistakes are hard to keep track of. Edited April 9, 2009 by Van Hoo III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remaliat Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 GGA I am really beginning to wonder if you have anyone left capable of conducting themselves on the Foreign Affairs side of the alliance, this announcement was a terrible decision on your part as you can see from the 10 pages of comments pretty much all negative towards you. My recommendation to you is to either get someone who knows what they are doing to be your external face sort of the way Bilrow was for the longest time, or simple stop posting on the forums. It is only hurting your cause. Now as far as the content itself, logs from any private government channel should always be respected as sacred and private and thus even if they are released should be dismissed as likely either Out of Context or simply cherry picked. Anyways as far as you go Derek Jones thank you for taking the moral highroad and not releasing these logs. I know that when an alliance betrays you after you poured your heart and soul into her it's not easy to continue to be respectful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 So it was CN(Without 1V) hates GGA Now its CN (without IRON, NPO, MCXA, and Echleon) hates GGA? Because obviously the GGA doesnt like its own gov and keeps pushing them away. I easily take that as a joke and i would be like "Dont Do eet!! We surrendar!" and then both of us would of lol'ed but no you kick someone out for joking? Thats kind of sad on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 i sense a sense of humor failure with the op... Degen i thought you we're funnier than this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 GGA I am really beginning to wonder if you have anyone left capable of conducting themselves on the Foreign Affairs side of the alliance, this announcement was a terrible decision on your part as you can see from the 10 pages of comments pretty much all negative towards you. I'm beginning to feel the same way, except for the internal affairs, economic, recruiting, military, and every other side in addition to foreign affairs. GGA, I'm going to take a line from Ochocinco's book and extend an offer to you. I can fix your alliance. I just need you to let me help you. I believe in me, and I think you should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 This really does just get better and better. ... o/ GGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Moo knows all and sees all Yeah if you were in GGA's private channels you would too right? Also, GGA its bad how every time you make a thread, Its fails like... Horribley. I think you embarrass yourself and your allies more then you do anything, Atleast thats what youve done in 2009. Also isnt this the 4th or 5th tri in... 4 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 GGA diplomacy maybe. If GGA partook in proper diplomatic maneuvering (ie. not antagonizing former members, threatening people, making internal workings public before they've even gone public) they would not be in this position nor posting this thread. I just want to echo want my esteemed alliance mate has already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Once again that situation involved gga on gga internal matters, which is still vastly different from an external alliance member threatening log release to an enemy alliance. However I'll go with your break down and if that is correct, I would like to know more about this DJ/elephant graveyard/vox relationship. Since GGA is issuing a massive pre-emptive apology to their allies, then I think it's safe to assume that the logs DJ is talking about are not purely internal. And whether it's an official relationship or not, DJ can have friends outside of GGA. Tough concept,I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickyman1984 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Jeez, any and all GGA threads that are released nowadays get to double digit pages before I get a chance to take a look. Anyways in regard to the OP, If you didn't want DJ angry at you, maybe you shouldn't have put him on the target list, disrespected him, and personally attacked/insulted him. I mean who could've thought that a former Triumvir who had the GGA sanctioned and successful would get ticked at you for that? WHO COULD'VE THOUGHT?! I have no idea why an alliance with so much talent in it (they really do have talent and good people....really!) makes big decisions like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Jeez, any and all GGA threads that are released nowadays get to double digit pages before I get a chance to take a look. Anyways in regard to the OP, If you didn't want DJ angry at you, maybe you shouldn't have put him on the target list, disrespected him, and personally attacked/insulted him. I mean who could've thought that a former Triumvir who had the GGA sanctioned and successful would get ticked at you for that? WHO COULD'VE THOUGHT?! I have no idea why an alliance with so much talent in it (they really do have talent and good people....really!) makes big decisions like this. Id like the GGA better if the "Former" part in "Former Triumvirate of GGA" was removed. Maybe he can set the GGA back on its right path, But its too late now. GGA is falling fast, The question is, Who or is anyone going to catch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagetheSecond Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I get the feeling that everything the GGA does gets blown way out of proportion because of their past failures. They have some issues with foreign affairs, but I don't see why they they're getting reamed over this. They were trying to apply what they learned from their past mistakes by trying to cover their arse before they got flamed to Hades and back. Even if this was a case of misunderstanding as to the nature of DJ's statement, I don't think they deserve the flaming right now that they are receiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Don't let all these forum vultures get you down GGA. I think GGA's doing an exceptional job keeping itself down without the peanut gallery's help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) I get the feeling that everything the GGA does gets blown way out of proportion because of their past failures. They have some issues with foreign affairs, but I don't see why they they're getting reamed over this. They were trying to apply what they learned from their past mistakes by trying to cover their arse before they got flamed to Hades and back. Even if this was a case of misunderstanding as to the nature of DJ's statement, I don't think they deserve the flaming right now that they are receiving. I think their most obvious mistake was opening this up to discussion in the first place. It seems painfully obvious to most of us onlookers that a thread of this nature was bound to be blown out of proportion. All of the things in the OP could easily have been conveyed in private. It says to me that the GGA either does not understand how to properly deal with PR issues or they simply do not care, neither of which is a very good answer. Keeping a lower profile for a while would do them a lot of good. Edited April 9, 2009 by Penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KagetheSecond Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think their most obvious mistake was opening this up to discussion in the first place. It seems painfully obvious to most of us onlookers that a thread of this nature was bound to be blown out of proportion. All of the things in the OP could easily have been conveyed in private. It says to me that the GGA either does not understand how to properly deal with PR issues or they simply do not care, neither of which is a very good answer. Keeping a lower profile for a while would do them a lot of good. I think that the GGA gov thought it would have been easier to do it this way instead of contacting people privately. This decision has obviously come back to bite them though. I guess that this is just another thing that the GGA can learn from. I just wish people didn't just bandwagon onto the GGA hate. These threads are filled with tons of people who are kicking what used to be a great alliance that is down. I mean, Ochocinco has presented a great plan to reform and improve them. If the great minds of CN did the same, perhaps they will stop making these mistakes and become a reputable alliance again. But then again... this is CN. People won't listen to reason and will just continue to pick on the weak kid because they're easy to make fun of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishnokof Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think that the GGA gov thought it would have been easier to do it this way instead of contacting people privately. This decision has obviously come back to bite them though. I guess that this is just another thing that the GGA can learn from. I just wish people didn't just bandwagon onto the GGA hate. These threads are filled with tons of people who are kicking what used to be a great alliance that is down. I mean, Ochocinco has presented a great plan to reform and improve them. If the great minds of CN did the same, perhaps they will stop making these mistakes and become a reputable alliance again. But then again... this is CN. People won't listen to reason and will just continue to pick on the weak kid because they're easy to make fun of... I'm glad you realized CN isn't all unicorns, muffins, and rainbows. If an alliance makes a mistake ... again, and again, and again, people will call them out on it. GGA, take a long hard look at the alliance you have become and seriously try not posting any announcements any time soon. You are now the joke of CN, you've given us some laughs, but try and fix yourselves up, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I think that the GGA gov thought it would have been easier to do it this way instead of contacting people privately. This decision has obviously come back to bite them though. I guess that this is just another thing that the GGA can learn from. I just wish people didn't just bandwagon onto the GGA hate. These threads are filled with tons of people who are kicking what used to be a great alliance that is down. I mean, Ochocinco has presented a great plan to reform and improve them. If the great minds of CN did the same, perhaps they will stop making these mistakes and become a reputable alliance again. But then again... this is CN. People won't listen to reason and will just continue to pick on the weak kid because they're easy to make fun of... Ya, ochocinco presented a great plan. How did GGA respond? "eat !@#$ and die," I believe it was. Unless that was about something else. I've offered advice as well, so has AirMe in this thread, so have countless numbers of individuals. They don't deserve the effort anymore, it's easier to just laugh. Hell, I laughed before I even read the OP. Just seeing "A message from the GGA" on the list of threads made me chuckle. By the way, that last sentence I bolded... I could have sworn you're talking about GGA there. Go check out the convo between DJ and scotchwithrocks. Something about DJ asking why SWR can't be diplomatic, and SWR's response being something along the lines of "you're unaligned, I don't need to be diplomatic with you". Seriously, they don't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o-dog Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 It's like the WUT days with GATO and Legion all over again huh? Come off your high horse. When you all were winning the PR war, you did the exact same thing, and you even did it with joy in your hearts. So, so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOvfEnnay Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) Hmm... Trying to refrain from being my more trolly self, it seems DJ was just joking or atleast when he said it he was only "contemplating" it at worst. Yet if I were in his position and this thread were made about me, it would probably encourage me to send him those logs. o.O Meh, we'll see. EDIT: You know that fleeting PR (or lack there of, as the case may be), did you think this thread would really help that situation? I mean really now. Edited April 9, 2009 by JayOvfEnnay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Having had a former government member (OOC: Forum admin) attempt to use private conversations against us, I can somewhat sympathize with the troubles GGA is facing here. Being betrayed in this manner is never fun, and I'm sure most people here wouldn't find it such a joyous occasion if it happened to them. However. Being unable to reveal what exactly has been said, how much was said, how frequently it was said, to whom, and by whom, is rather troubling, and leads one to the impression that you have something incredibly inappropriate/hurtful to hide and feel sorry for. The fault lies with the people who have said it, not the person revealing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agnews Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 LoL sorry gga you if you were going to post this thread u should of closed it as soon as u opened it leaving it open will take you on a long trip to page 40 with nothing but loads of trolls and flammers my recommendation is to close the thread and forum silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderJerusalem Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Can't we just all agree to get along? Bwahahahahaha, seriously, who am I kidding. This is a comedy gold mine. If you need my mercy killing services, give me a shout GGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkin Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 I can't say I'm surprised that scotchwithrocks was apparently missing from the short, reasonable convo in the OP logs. He probably would've started calling Sogna a traitor and whatever the hell "scooter" means for not going along with his powertrip against DJ. Seriously, his personality looks acidic enough to burn a hole through this monitor. Note how every person he's talked to in the logs so far is no longer a member of GGA. Not going to comment on the potential Smokey logs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 No offense, GGA? But you guys have been such dicks lately, and were such dicks to derekjones, I don't know why you're posting this here, because you'll get no sympathy from 90% of PB. I'd like to see the logs released, actually. They sound like fun if you're trying to pre-empt their release with some damage control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brotherington Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 What I see is a mob acting like the crass vultures that they are. Its a shame really, some of the alliances I used to consider having some class are behaving like beasts in this situation. So its an alliance you don't like, sometimes showing class and honour to your enemies is harder than showing it to friends. What you and the rest of the mob is doing, is showing how quickly a population can go from humanity to the gleeful ignorance of monsters. You may be finding lulz at the idea of an alliance on the verge of breakdown, but I find the idea of a community being ripped apart abhorant. I didn't like it when it happened to VE, and I don't like it happening to GGA. I believe that any community in strife deserves some compassion. But of course don't let me ruin the fun for you, I just wonder how you'd have liked it when your alliance and its community was ripped apart. And this mob is the same one that claims to be so righteous and honour bound, irony tis of thee. Once again GGA, best of luck in overcoming these problems. How many communities exactly has the NPO attempted to destroy? How many times has the GGA tagged along? They deserve everything they get and more, hopefully they will disband out of humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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