rabonnobar Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dear Iron and TOP, Been loving your work in this thread, but please, don't be distracted by that Tywin fella, this is nothing to do with him. Quoted for truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Can we argue about last years war last year? I mean, I'm going to assume that this same exact discussion has already taken place at least once before... I don't normally call people out on stuff like this, but I mean, I could be talked into rolling Legion or ODN for their spectacular failures in GW2/3, to pretend like grudges don't matter is removing 99% of the whole way wars have worked in our world going back... forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 I don't normally call people out on stuff like this, but I mean, I could be talked into rolling Legion or ODN for their spectacular failures in GW2/3, to pretend like grudges don't matter is removing 99% of the whole way wars have worked in our world going back... forever. No doubt. I've just been failing at keeping this thread on topic. But fuck it. Please TOP, please continue the whining and generally confused posting. We're all bored and waiting for something to happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montosh Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Grats IRON and Lobster Party. Love you too Auctor :P Edited November 12, 2014 by Montosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) I just love how IRON blames other alliances for the actions IRON undertook and positions IRON placed their own allies in. Next we will be hearing how TOP forced IRON to be included in the war planning discussions against IRON's own allies months before the war actually broke out. Oh wait... Edit: Also amazed IRON somehow hasn't blamed TOP for the Coalition of Cowards either. Edited November 12, 2014 by Charles the Tyrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I just love how IRON blames other alliances for the actions IRON undertook and positions IRON placed their own allies in. Next we will be hearing how TOP forced IRON to be included in the war planning discussions against IRON's own allies months before the war actually broke out. Oh wait... Edit: Also amazed IRON somehow hasn't blamed TOP for the Coalition of Cowards either. I love how we have an ape in lipstick trying to talk like hes people. You can keep whatever you're smoking. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrews Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I just love how IRON blames other alliances for the actions IRON undertook and positions IRON placed their own allies in. Next we will be hearing how TOP forced IRON to be included in the war planning discussions against IRON's own allies months before the war actually broke out. Oh wait... Edit: Also amazed IRON somehow hasn't blamed TOP for the Coalition of Cowards either. Ok look, everyone has pretty much agreed no one is an angel. Everyone has their demons, so any moral objection to IRON cannot be waged without appearing hypocritical. This means your motives are political. I honestly have no problem with that, use whatever arguments you must in order to succeed. Except, there is one thing, you're not succeeding.You and the rest of IRON's biggest critics had MONTHS to put yourselves in a position to act on your agendas and you tried. Following Disorder, you and your partners went on a tour of CN trying to rally the necessary support, preaching the same lines as quoted above along with a treasure trove of supposed reasons IRON should be rolled. You pulled every excuse out of the book even going as far as to drag examples so archaic that half of the people who actually took part in it aren't even around anymore.All of that work, all of that effort and what is the payoff?Instead of convincing their allies to cancel, IRON retained those allies and even found a number of relevant new ones. Instead of isolating IRON, they are in an even stronger position than they were previously, instead of succeeding in your endevour you failed. Maybe your failure is because IRON is better than you, maybe its because you didn't try hard enough, or maybe the alternative was so god awefully bad instead of convincing IRON's allies to cancel, you've been levied with a number of cancellations yourselves.Now we sit with the potential deciding conflict of the year on the precipitous and you guys are STILL toting the line? Thats either some praise worthy dedication or cringe worthy desperation.Tbh, I'm fine with sitting back and watching the same arguments over and over again, because they haven't worked and if the recent trends are any indication, you guys will eventually end up rolling yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Ok look, everyone has pretty much agreed no one is an angel. Everyone has their demons, so any moral objection to IRON cannot be waged without appearing hypocritical. This means your motives are political. I honestly have no problem with that, use whatever arguments you must in order to succeed. Except, there is one thing, you're not succeeding. You and the rest of IRON's biggest critics had MONTHS to put yourselves in a position to act on your agendas and you tried. Following Disorder, you and your partners went on a tour of CN trying to rally the necessary support, preaching the same lines as quoted above along with a treasure trove of supposed reasons IRON should be rolled. You pulled every excuse out of the book even going as far as to drag examples so archaic that half of the people who actually took part in it aren't even around anymore. All of that work, all of that effort and what is the payoff? Instead of convincing their allies to cancel, IRON retained those allies and even found a number of relevant new ones. Instead of isolating IRON, they are in an even stronger position than they were previously, instead of succeeding in your endevour you failed. Maybe your failure is because IRON is better than you, maybe its because you didn't try hard enough, or maybe the alternative was so god awefully bad instead of convincing IRON's allies to cancel, you've been levied with a number of cancellations yourselves. Now we sit with the potential deciding conflict of the year on the precipitous and you guys are STILL toting the line? Thats either some praise worthy dedication or cringe worthy desperation. Tbh, I'm fine with sitting back and watching the same arguments over and over again, because they haven't worked and if the recent trends are any indication, you guys will eventually end up rolling yourselves. Tbh, can't really blame our side for faeces sticking together out of desperation. Certain AAs were desperate for pixel security and stuck with AAs that betrayed them, can't really apply logic to desperate acts and measures. Edited November 13, 2014 by Charles the Tyrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Love you too Auctor :P I'm not Auctor... awkward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 That's it, down with the doves and up with the gasoline drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchboy00 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ok look, everyone has pretty much agreed no one is an angel. Everyone has their demons, so any moral objection to IRON cannot be waged without appearing hypocritical. This means your motives are political. I honestly have no problem with that, use whatever arguments you must in order to succeed. Except, there is one thing, you're not succeeding. You and the rest of IRON's biggest critics had MONTHS to put yourselves in a position to act on your agendas and you tried. Following Disorder, you and your partners went on a tour of CN trying to rally the necessary support, preaching the same lines as quoted above along with a treasure trove of supposed reasons IRON should be rolled. You pulled every excuse out of the book even going as far as to drag examples so archaic that half of the people who actually took part in it aren't even around anymore. All of that work, all of that effort and what is the payoff? Instead of convincing their allies to cancel, IRON retained those allies and even found a number of relevant new ones. Instead of isolating IRON, they are in an even stronger position than they were previously, instead of succeeding in your endevour you failed. Maybe your failure is because IRON is better than you, maybe its because you didn't try hard enough, or maybe the alternative was so god awefully bad instead of convincing IRON's allies to cancel, you've been levied with a number of cancellations yourselves. Now we sit with the potential deciding conflict of the year on the precipitous and you guys are STILL toting the line? Thats either some praise worthy dedication or cringe worthy desperation. Tbh, I'm fine with sitting back and watching the same arguments over and over again, because they haven't worked and if the recent trends are any indication, you guys will eventually end up rolling yourselves. Yes yes everyone pissed on their allies at some point to save their own asses. Oh wait no not everyone has. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montosh Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'm not Auctor... awkward I'm well aware you're not. But Auctor knows that I love him too :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3mon Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Yes yes everyone pissed on their allies at some point to save their own asses. Oh wait no not everyone has. Move along. The only name that comes to mind is STA. Is it really that bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The only name that comes to mind is STA. Is it really that bad? Pretty much, and STA is mid-sized and somewhat isolationist. If you only count the major players, opportunism has been rampant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 So, IRON is bad because they didn't fight TOP in the last war when you had the advantage? Or because, once they realized how badly they screwed up, they considered defending their friends? Btw, who needs war threads when stat announcements can be so much fun. Glad that IRON came to their senses and wanted to defend the crappiest ally they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I'm not Auctor... awkward ^Doesnt get it. :P Glad that IRON came to their senses and wanted to defend the crappiest ally they have Maybe last war should have just been all about IRON vs TOP instead of Polar vs NSO. Of course, then we'd probably have a similar argument between the other less relevant nations in the war..... But W/E. At least we could have maybe called it something better than "Disorder." (BTW, I still like OoO better). Edited November 13, 2014 by Fox Fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Glad that IRON came to their senses and wanted to defend the crappiest ally they havequiet you and get back on assassins creed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Flattery will get you everywhere.How ya been old friend?I'm doing peachy, thanks. Rebirth in this world is treating me well.Good to see you still grace our halls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter26 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 There was once a time we worked and burned together... and bloodied as many noses as possible in the process. Who knows what the future brings. Congrats guys on your achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 quiet you and get back on assassins creed I can wait. Wouldn't want to get to far without you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 The only name that comes to mind is STA. Is it really that bad? We've been pissed on a couple of times over the years. Can't recall having shanked a friend, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabonnobar Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I could be talked into rolling Legion or ODN for their spectacular failures in GW2/3 You and me both, friend, you and me both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 There was once a time we worked and burned together... and bloodied as many noses as possible in the process. Who knows what the future brings. Congrats guys on your achievement.Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I can't say for sure what TOP gov did, but we as an alliance talked about IRON's treachery, and we talked about how we absolutely would not push a roll IRON agenda. Maybe they did and didn't tell us. Or more likely, IRON is either being paranoid or referring to actions other then that of TOP. Your alliance's behavior in the last war did make a lot of enemies, but IRON does seem to have done a remarkable job of losing that target on their back. That is a credit to your FA team or the short memories of other alliances. Anyway, you've got the biggest, strongest alliance in the game, and now is as good a time as any to use that strength to achieve your goals, whatever those might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 For the entire exent of my time in TOP (about a week before NPO peaced out) we have actively been trying to ease tensions with IRON which was met in turn with either a cold shoulder, middle finger, or a "we will consider it" and yet it's TOP that is gunning for IRON. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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