Xanth Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 NPO controls 33% of the nations on red, but demands 60% control of the senate. You could give up 1 seat to SRA and still control more of the senate than your nations represent of the red team if you were truly being magnanimous. While I truly appreciate your support US we really don't care to be a part of the Senate process. As we've stated already we have full confidence that NPO and the rest will vote on the issues in a way that will benefit the red sphere (why would they not). We have full confidence NPO will continue to do a good job as the majority of the Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 While I truly appreciate your support US we really don't care to be a part of the Senate process. As we've stated already we have full confidence that NPO and the rest will vote on the issues in a way that will benefit the red sphere (why would they not). We have full confidence NPO will continue to do a good job as the majority of the Senate. I understand why you have no issue here and I also have no doubt that NPO will choose what is best for their nations which in most cases will be the majority of nations on red. I am just surprised to see alliances like UCR go along with this as they regularly find themselves at war when the majority of the world is not. What happens when certain senate proposals have do decide between military might and economic benefit while UCR is at war and the rest of red is not (or vice versa)? At the end of the day I don't see any benefit to any alliance except for NPO. If NPO is going to control 3 senate seats regardless, why even sign this proposal? It seems as though NPO is using the facade of cooperation to ensure they keep their 3 seats and incase they do lose one, they have two other safety votes to make sure they get their way regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keysariyt Hanssen Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Insert generic anti communist sentiments here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 NPO controls 33% of the nations on red, but demands 60% control of the senate. You could give up 1 seat to SRA and still control more of the senate than your nations represent of the red team if you were truly being magnanimous. We are not being magnanimous. Our goal is a treaty of mutual benefit for whichever alliance wants to partake in it. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 We are not being magnanimous. Our goal is a treaty of mutual benefit for whichever alliance wants to partake in it. Nothing more, nothing less. The sooner you, Unknown Smurf, realize no one is being magnanimous here, the sooner we can wrap up this discussion and go eat dinner. You're so thick sometimes jeesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 An empty good will gesture, under the pretense of beneficial cooperation between all red sphere alliances, that ultimately preserves the status quo. The only interesting pieces of the treaty are that the five seats are being divided between 3 alliances, with NPO getting the majority, and that only the signatories of this treaty's senators are considered legitimate. Unless any independent senator gets the blessing of the signatories of this treaty, they can be targeted along with their alliance due to the very broad scope of the treaty's text since an "unauthorized" independent senator can be branded an external threat and dealt with as such. I'm sure this won't be abused at all. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Buscemi Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'm a sad panda when this is what passes as drama. :p Looks like NPO would've had 3 seats in any case, so this just seems about normal. Giving NPO anything less than 3 seats for an alliance NPO's size on red would be kind of silly anyway. Senate seats don't mean anything anyway. Even with *gasp* the super duper hard decision of +1 PH or not! How ever will we recover from the loss of thousands of dongs. Congrats guys and see you in the coalition chan in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King William Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I'm a sad panda when this is what passes as drama. :P Looks like NPO would've had 3 seats in any case, so this just seems about normal. Giving NPO anything less than 3 seats for an alliance NPO's size on red would be kind of silly anyway. Senate seats don't mean anything anyway. Even with *gasp* the super duper hard decision of +1 PH or not! How ever will we recover from the loss of thousands of dongs. Congrats guys and see you in the coalition chan in 2015. y-you too.baka~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) While I truly appreciate your support US we really don't care to be a part of the Senate process. As we've stated already we have full confidence that NPO and the rest will vote on the issues in a way that will benefit the red sphere (why would they not). We have full confidence NPO will continue to do a good job as the majority of the Senate. I don't know, it seems quite a few of your members are all up in arms about it. Edited July 25, 2014 by IYIyTh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanth Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 You truly are grasping myth. In case you haven't actually read this thread no one in SRA is mad/upset about this treaty. Questions were asked/statements made and one member voiced an opinion. An opinion that seems to have been misconstrued by everyone except the members of this treaty it appears. Trust me, I'm glad we are apparently relevant enough with our 29 members to illicit such a dramatic response from the community but I can assure you we have no real issues with this agreement. We just don't see a point in joing into such a pact for a few reasons. 1. We do not have the voting force to gain a seat. 2. We really don't care for the paperwork involved in senatorial decision making. 3. And this is the important one. We have full confidence the senate members will vote in a way that will benefit us as members of the red team. It makes no sense to vote in a way that would harm the sphere and NPO has ALWAYS had the best intentions for red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Caparo Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 You truly are grasping myth. In case you haven't actually read this thread no one in SRA is mad/upset about this treaty. Questions were asked/statements made and one member voiced an opinion. An opinion that seems to have been misconstrued by everyone except the members of this treaty it appears. Trust me, I'm glad we are apparently relevant enough with our 29 members to illicit such a dramatic response from the community but I can assure you we have no real issues with this agreement. We just don't see a point in joing into such a pact for a few reasons. 1. We do not have the voting force to gain a seat. 2. We really don't care for the paperwork involved in senatorial decision making. 3. And this is the important one. We have full confidence the senate members will vote in a way that will benefit us as members of the red team. It makes no sense to vote in a way that would harm the sphere and NPO has ALWAYS had the best intentions for red. As a fellow Member of SRA, i agree with Xanth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dre4mwe4ver Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 As a fellow Member of SRA, i agree with Xanth. As a member of the Brown Sphere, I am clearly up in arms about this. I shall not vote for a single candidate from NPO, Invicta or UCR for the Brown Senate elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshington Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I don't know, it seems quite a few of your members are all up in arms about it. Oh, another one of these posts. Unless the phrases "quite a few" and "all up in arms" have been completely redefined, I think you probably should have ended your sentence right after "I don't know." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmansfield68 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 As a member of the Brown Sphere, I am clearly up in arms about this. I shall not vote for a single candidate from NPO, Invicta or UCR for the Brown Senate elections. Same goes for those of us on the Black Sphere. These candidates are right out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Holy backtrack batman. I'd say going from "what gives you the right," and clearly leading into "evil NPO," histrionics with your fellow ally to trying to squelch the sentiment is a rapid development, though a welcome remedy to what's becoming a trend. That you decided you'd like to distance yourself from it isn't something you need to get all snarky about. Edited July 25, 2014 by IYIyTh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Oh, another one of these posts. Unless the phrases "quite a few" and "all up in arms" have been completely redefined, I think you probably should have ended your sentence right after "I don't know." Exemplary read, thank you sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Needs more headbanging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywall Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 You truly are grasping myth. In case you haven't actually read this thread no one in SRA is mad/upset about this treaty. Questions were asked/statements made and one member voiced an opinion. An opinion that seems to have been misconstrued by everyone except the members of this treaty it appears. Trust me, I'm glad we are apparently relevant enough with our 29 members to illicit such a dramatic response from the community but I can assure you we have no real issues with this agreement. We just don't see a point in joing into such a pact for a few reasons. 1. We do not have the voting force to gain a seat. 2. We really don't care for the paperwork involved in senatorial decision making. 3. And this is the important one. We have full confidence the senate members will vote in a way that will benefit us as members of the red team. It makes no sense to vote in a way that would harm the sphere and NPO has ALWAYS had the best intentions for red. ^ this Completely agree with xanth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Holy backtrack batman. I'd say going from "what gives you the right," and clearly leading into "evil NPO," histrionics with your fellow ally to trying to squelch the sentiment is a rapid development, though a welcome remedy to what's becoming a trend. That you decided you'd like to distance yourself from it isn't something you need to get all snarky about. You really haven't gotten any better at this have you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 You really haven't gotten any better at this have you. if loving you is wrong i don't wanna be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshington Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 i don't wanna be right. Success again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Besides whining and complaining, taking things out of context isn't new to your lot literally or figuratively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshington Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Besides whining and complaining, taking things out of context isn't new to your lot literally or figuratively. While I concede that you saying "I don't want to be right" was taken out of context, it is nonetheless accurate with regard to your comments in this thread, none of which have been correct: "Quite a few SRA members" had not posted. None of them were "up in arms". There were zero "histrionics" from SRA or allies. At no point was "What gives NPO the right" nor "NPO is evil" suggested by us. There was no "backtracking". There was no "complaining" or "whining". Not sure if you're just skimming the thread or just trolling it, but in either case you are derailing it by opining upon things that the quote function could easily disprove. TL; DR for the thread: NPO, Invicta and UCR signed a senate treaty SRA declines to participate due to rationally stated concerns Letum of NPO rationally addresses concerns Happily, basic facts of treaty are not contradicted by NPO or SRA viewpoints SRA still uninterested, but largely unconcerned as treaty unlikely to hurt them Life on Red Team carries on |Y|yth injects drama where none previously existed Walsh the Beloved hails red one last time before hopefully abandoning thread o/ RED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Besides whining and complaining, taking things out of context isn't new to your lot literally or figuratively. Not sure if trolling for a reaction or actually being serious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beauty Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Never thought id see another treaty with signatures from NPO and Invicta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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