janax Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='The Warrior' timestamp='1317322490' post='2811967'] I'd like to wish my Non Gratan friends and allies the best of luck. Have a good fight. [/quote] Au Gratin? MMM....Au Gratin friends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cristoir Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 Onwards to victory NG! IRON stands beside you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex0827a Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Llanowar Elf' timestamp='1317270038' post='2810906'] He raided a TWO MAN AA, that had absolutely no mention of a protectorate or any other agreement in there Bio's. He did 3 million worth of damage, they offered 6 million in response. So, lets see the figure you used to justify asking for 30mil? [/quote] This, unless you can link to a post made on OWF regarding NG protecting this alliance? If there was one, then attacking the alliance was just... not the best choice, we'll say. But if not, then assuming UPN ceased attacking when notified that they were attacking NG's protectorate, and considering the damages (or lack thereof), 30 mil's simply unreasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphexTwin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 OH HELL YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoomzoomzoom Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1317318716' post='2811876'] Who's controling Polar's war machine? Legion?! [/quote] ummm what? They're not all in hippy silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Alex0827a' timestamp='1317324394' post='2812005'] This, unless you can link to a post made on OWF regarding NG protecting this alliance? If there was one, then attacking the alliance was just... not the best choice, we'll say. But if not, then assuming UPN ceased attacking when notified that they were attacking NG's protectorate, and considering the damages (or lack thereof), 30 mil's simply unreasonable. [/quote] If you read the rest of the thread, it was pointed out that the protectorate being searched for in CN wiki redirects to Poison Clan, which is now a part of NG. NG's wiki indicates the protectorate. NG also has the treaty on their forums to verify. Basically the whole thing could have been avoided by doing a quick search on the wiki. I don't know where the idea that nations need to put "Protected by _____" in their bios to be protected came from, but traditionally treaties such as protectorates are handled via the OWF and documented elsewhere. If you can look and find out who Legion is treatied to and decide going to war with them for free tech isn't worth the trouble, you can probably do the same with a protectorate. As for damages, in the thread it has been calculated several times, and pretty much anyone who's tried to figure the math rather than saying "Oh I don't know enough" or "Money is meaningless why do you care?" has agreed that 30mil was a fair, and if anything generous, amount to demand. The 6million offer was a slap in the face. Since then, other nations have rallied around UPN, pledging their support to pay the reparations that UPN is clearly too poor to afford. We have raised over 120million for this cause now, and that number is still rising! If you wish to help UPN escape this mess, please go to The Save UPN Fund, and pledge your donation today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Alex0827a' timestamp='1317324394' post='2812005'] This, unless you can link to a post made on OWF regarding NG protecting this alliance? If there was one, then attacking the alliance was just... not the best choice, we'll say. But if not, then assuming UPN ceased attacking when notified that they were attacking NG's protectorate, and considering the damages (or lack thereof), 30 mil's simply unreasonable. [/quote] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103705"]Have a free reference, it's on me.[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Alex0827a' timestamp='1317324394' post='2812005'] This, unless you can link to a post made on OWF regarding NG protecting this alliance? If there was one, then attacking the alliance was just... not the best choice, we'll say. But if not, then assuming UPN ceased attacking when notified that they were attacking NG's protectorate, and considering the damages (or lack thereof), 30 mil's simply unreasonable. [/quote] [quote name='King Xander the Only' timestamp='1308078037' post='2731242'] Non Grata will be protecting all AA's associated with Poison Clan and iFOK, including applicant AAs and protectorates. Also, anyone currently on PC's or iFOK's !@#$lists will remain there, because even if our name changes, you're still an !@#$%^&. [/quote] ^^ this do you? [quote name='King Xander the Only' timestamp='1310956555' post='2758111'] [b][size="6"]Protected AA's[/size][/b] As some of you might have heard, [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103700"]SLCB[/url] and [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103704"]Hydra[/url] are moving on to greener pastures. Being the good friends that we are we have decided to protect both AAs, their applicant AAs (that they don't have) and their protectorates indefinitely. Our current list of protected AAs (that include protecting against people wanting to reform the AAs) are as follows: - iFOK - Poison Clan - LXXQTJMN - iFOK Applicant - Venomous Larvae - Seaworthy Liberian Cardboard Boxes - Team Rocket - The Armada Alliance - Hydra - NG Applicant / Non Grata Applicant - Non Grata If I forgot one, tough luck for you. That's all for today. Please direct all complaints to arexes. [/quote] This one maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwuss Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 It's a good thing NG listed NG on the list of alliances NG protects. This should be standard going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cager Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 The decline on UPN's alliance strength chart is like a black diamond ski hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trance addict Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='mrwuss' timestamp='1317325507' post='2812022'] It's a good thing NG listed NG on the list of alliances NG protects. This should be standard going forward. [/quote] Considering that there are blood thirsty alliances like UPN out for tech, I think this is a prudent policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artigo Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 UPN.. you're supposed to inform your members when you're at war so I don't get messages like this [quote]To: Artigo From: Vanguard the Great Date: 9/29/2011 11:02:42 AM Subject: Stop Message: I am not sure why you are attacking me, but knock it off. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Artigo' timestamp='1317328576' post='2812075'] UPN.. you're supposed to inform your members when you're at war so I don't get messages like this [/quote] I'm dying hahahahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Leet Guy' timestamp='1317328722' post='2812078'] I'm dying hahahahahahahaha [/quote] Not as much as Vanguard the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeros Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Artigo' timestamp='1317328576' post='2812075'] UPN.. you're supposed to inform your members when you're at war so I don't get messages like this [/quote] lol. This is turning into the greatest Tech Raid since Olympus hit AcTi. UPN, you should be ashamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1317328828' post='2812082'] Not as much as Vanguard the Great [/quote] That's the same guy Azaghul hit (didn't have an SDI at the time) and he made that topic on the OWF. Edit: Nevermind, he just made a couple posts in Azaghul's thread. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=74414&view=findpost&p=1989207"]Here[/url] and [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=74414&view=findpost&p=1995851"]here[/url]. Edited September 29, 2011 by Drai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1317328875' post='2812084'] lol. This is turning into the greatest Tech Raid since Olympus hit AcTi. UPN, you should be ashamed. [/quote] Glad to know we could set the bar so high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutai Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 I would also like to add that UPN has been spying on TR nations also, we have confirmed it after one of our nations were recently spy attacked this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1317316393' post='2811837'] [b]What if UPN requested it's allies to stay out of the war?[/b] But yes, I was thinking of the $6mil war, you cancled a day into the war and if NSO told you that they didn't want you to fight, that's not a breakdown of communication, which was cited in the nullifcation of the treaty. But this isn't the time for that discussion, point I am making is that a number of GATO members are calling for more blood yet avoid this themselves at one point, as did other alliances I'm sure, for whatever reason. [/quote] Tough noogies. Polaris could be seen as a threat and pre-empted. It isn't unheard of you know, and quite a good strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) [quote name='TECUMSEH' timestamp='1317291193' post='2811494'] What a joke. [/quote] yes your UPN alliance is a joke. You have an idiot member that screwed up a tech raid and then you as an alliance won't take responsibility for it. You deserve what you get. Edited September 29, 2011 by Timberland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Lanore' timestamp='1317319202' post='2811886'] I'm not questioning the legitimacy. I'm simply saying the situation is seriously unsatisfying. The fact that negotiations broke down alone is horrible. Something like this should have just never gone past "whoops here's reps " . That is what I mean by I don't want it to be over this. [/quote] So, then, what would you rather see a war over? Seriously, what would make a war *worth it* to you? Apart from fabricated CB's, stuff like this is really all you're going to get. Everybody knows the rules of Bob, and anybody who breaks those rules is just ridiculous and terrible, which is why we end up with fabricated/absent CB's. Because whenever an actual event happens, it's easier to just take the beating yourself and keep things from spreading, because "owning up to mistakes" and "taking one for the team" is what we encourage here. After all, you're "in the wrong", and Admin knows nobody wants to lose any pixels unless there's no other way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1317324902' post='2812012']I don't know where the idea that nations need to put "Protected by _____" in their bios to be protected came from,[/quote] From the fact that it works. I tell the nations in our protectorate to write this on their nations all the time. Those that do are generally NOT raided. Those that don't - if a raid happens, it's to them. Raider's are lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 reps are not solely for damages... reps should be a form of punishment as a result of an action... The 30m requested seems like it'd cover damages and be a slap on the wrist, a "nope, don't do that again, please, thankyou." The 6m offered was a slap in the face. If there is no punishment for the action, then the action is likely to occur in the future. Hopefully, this will be a learning experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 [quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1317336047' post='2812178'] Raider's are lazy. [/quote] Its their own damn fault then if they're that lazy to not check and see if the AA is ok or not. Despite what people think of GOONS at least we take the time to check to see if an AA is raidable or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AphexTwin Posted September 29, 2011 Report Share Posted September 29, 2011 If its not a slap on the wrist like we proposed Its a face stomped on the curb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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