NewPoseidon Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 White peace was a bad idea. IRON, you really should've asked for some small symbolic gesture, such as one pack 3mil/50t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserwolf Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Welp that's all she wrote. Congrats on peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Congratulations brothers on a hard-fought victory. I've looked forward to grams bloody downfall for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Does every rogue attack deserve a OWF announcement now? Congrats IRON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owney OSullivan Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'm proud to be a part of an alliance who kept white peace on the table through all of this. Most alliances wouldn't have been so generous and would have demanded reps, if not complete and utter destruction. I'm glad to see this finally come to an end, and despite everything, I wish you luck in the future Gramlins. Also, I wouldn't even know what to say to someone who thought this wasn't a victory for IRON. Yes, it's a continuation of a front of the CnG war but it's a separate war in it's own right, and we clearly achieved victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertyy Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='iamthey' timestamp='1280614155' post='2396419'] That is interesting, up until this point I was under the impression that gre was out to prove their dedication to principle. That it had nothing to do with actually defeating IRON, something you all knew was impossible from the outset, and more about making a stand, even if it ended in martyrdom. By accepting their white peace you have validated the ESA, and in the words of RAM, acknowledged that IRON never really did anything wrong. You shouldn't make an idealistic stand if you are not ready to uphold it. Yes you fought for a very longtime, and you essentially ran gre into the ground, but rather than stand the course you've now chosen to yield and in doing so give up. Your reasons for the war may not have changed, but you did fail to realize them. That is why IRON and Dawn have won. [/quote] I think OWF got too caught up in its own witticisms to realize that ramirus represents only one third of the conclave. Gre doesn't follow his personal opinions just because he happens to be the most outspoken in certain venues. I thought that what IRON did was wrong and was willing to see them apologize or be militarily chastised right up to the point where it became obvious to me personally that nothing more could be done to get any kind of an apology out of them. I know ramirus' position involved a little more martyrdom than mine, but I don't see how that makes it less of a principle. I will also say that it does show some redeeming qualities that IRON elected to give us peace at this point. Also, yes, I know we lost and said as much in the first post. You people need to take a moment and lrn 2 reed. You will find that you haven't caught me at anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Ertyy' timestamp='1280618870' post='2396484'] I think OWF got too caught up in its own witticisms to realize that ramirus represents only one third of the conclave. Gre doesn't follow his personal opinions just because he happens to be the most outspoken in certain venues. [/quote] Haha. Yeah, right. You may fool about this those who don't know you, Ram or the Gramlins well, but don't even try to pull out this BS on those who are familiar with you. We all know that Ramirus has had a virtual stranglehold on power in the Gramlins for nearly a year; and we at TOP know very well that you were an absolutely religious supporter of everything he did and said. As for the alliance itself, he was elected repeatedly. The people spoke. Your attempts to avoid personal accountability mirror those of your membership in the past, when they refused to take responsibility for Ramirus's behavior and the consequences it brought, and when they refused to take responsibility for repeatedly re-electing him. Nice try, Ertyy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Ertyy' timestamp='1280597778' post='2396075'] We would like to clarify that our reasons for continuing this war remain unchanged. We merely recognize that there are no longer any viable means to attain our goals. [/quote] That's charming. Please fade away now so the name of your formerly great alliance isn't further tarnished by such idiocy and thick-headedness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertyy Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1280619046' post='2396487'] Haha. Yeah, right. You may fool about this those who don't know you, Ram or the Gramlins well, but don't even try to pull out this BS on those who are familiar with you. We all know that Ramirus has had a virtual stranglehold on power in the Gramlins for nearly a year; and we at TOP know very well that you were an absolutely religious supporter of everything he did and said. As for the alliance itself, he was elected repeatedly. The people spoke. Your attempts to avoid personal accountability mirror those of your membership in the past, when they refused to take responsibility for Ramirus's behavior and the consequences it brought, and when they refused to take responsibility for repeatedly re-electing him. Nice try, Ertyy. [/quote] Personal accountability for what? No, I'm not taking responsibility for ram's opinions. I'm also not taking any responsibility for the incorrect impressions to be found on OWF. Anyone with even an ounce of objectivity would realize that just about everyone here believes what they want to believe, regardless of evidence or argument. Though, if you are referring to our belated departure from fellowship with TOP, I would take 110% of the responsibility for that if I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Pullo Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Ertyy' timestamp='1280618870' post='2396484'] I think OWF got too caught up in its own witticisms to realize that ramirus represents only one third of the conclave. Gre doesn't follow his personal opinions just because he happens to be the most outspoken in certain venues. [/quote] Then why does Gre follow his personal opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1280619046' post='2396487'] Haha. Yeah, right. You may fool about this those who don't know you, Ram or the Gramlins well, but don't even try to pull out this BS on those who are familiar with you. We all know that Ramirus has had a virtual stranglehold on power in the Gramlins for nearly a year; and we at TOP know very well that you were an absolutely religious supporter of everything he did and said. As for the alliance itself, he was elected repeatedly. The people spoke. Your attempts to avoid personal accountability mirror those of your membership in the past, when they refused to take responsibility for Ramirus's behavior and the consequences it brought, and when they refused to take responsibility for repeatedly re-electing him. Nice try, Ertyy. [/quote] lol, I agree with Crymson. Congrats on getting the war done with, good luck to all parties involved and despite all the hate for Ram, Im telling you all he would have needed was a measure of humility and the end game would have been much different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Ertyy' timestamp='1280618870' post='2396484'] I think OWF got too caught up in its own witticisms to realize that ramirus represents only one third of the conclave. Gre doesn't follow his personal opinions just because he happens to be the most outspoken in certain venues. I thought that what IRON did was wrong and was willing to see them apologize or be militarily chastised right up to the point where it became obvious to me personally that nothing more could be done to get any kind of an apology out of them. I know ramirus' position involved a little more martyrdom than mine, but I don't see how that makes it less of a principle. I will also say that it does show some redeeming qualities that IRON elected to give us peace at this point. Also, yes, I know we lost and said as much in the first post. You people need to take a moment and lrn 2 reed. You will find that you haven't caught me at anything. [/quote] In the libraries of the Haleenstar Republic resides texts that detail the story of Pyrrhus of Epirus. I'd be happy to loan you a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre27 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I wonder how many of the current Gremlins stayed in because they did not want to abandon their alliance during war, even if they did not agree with the reason or execution. The end of the war may actually spark an exodus of remaining gremlin members. Another thing to consider is that the current gremlin member count is 12, which puts them on the list of raid-able alliances for several raid oriented alliances. Gremlins may find their lower-mid tiers raided on a frequent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 This is good to see. Good luck in rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccabal86 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='Andre27' timestamp='1280621399' post='2396508'] Another thing to consider is that the current gremlin member count is 12, which puts them on the list of raid-able alliances for several raid oriented alliances. Gremlins may find their lower-mid tiers raided on a frequent basis. [/quote] Nah, I hear they're being protected by MHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre27 Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='ccabal86' timestamp='1280621786' post='2396515'] Nah, I hear they're being protected by MHA [/quote] That would surprise me. I'd think MHA would keep them at arms length at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='Andre27' timestamp='1280621399' post='2396508'] I wonder how many of the current Gremlins stayed in because they did not want to abandon their alliance during war, even if they did not agree with the reason or execution. The end of the war may actually spark an exodus of remaining gremlin members. Another thing to consider is that the current gremlin member count is 12, which puts them on the list of raid-able alliances for several raid oriented alliances. Gremlins may find their lower-mid tiers raided on a frequent basis. [/quote] Given the paperless FA, and the continued existence of Harmlins... I wouldnt recommend raiding GRE nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Yeah. Raid red instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taget Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I enjoyed fighting with GRE. They were great folks to work with. Unfortunately most of those I fought with aren't even in GRE anymore. I wish you guys had realized months ago when enough was enough. I also enjoyed fighting against DAWN who earned my respect. I congratulate you on finally ending this affair and doing so in an honorable manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I was having a good time watching Gremlins slowly bleed to death, but congratulations nonetheless IRON and DAWN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Walz Pants Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='Wentworth the Brave' timestamp='1280623708' post='2396540'] I was having a good time watching Gremlins slowly bleed to death, but congratulations nonetheless IRON and DAWN. [/quote] Pretty much this. IRON and DAWN were far too lenient here for my tastes. That said congrats to IRON/DAWN now that you can finally move forward. Would be a shame to see MHA retain Harmlins after Gramlins shameful actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Great Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Congratulations IRON O/ ORANGE O/ OUT Much more merciful than I would have been. Tis a shame those few lolgre got away with their tech and infras intact. May you have success finishing reps and moving on. [quote name='the masheen' timestamp='1280609690' post='2396328'] Congrats to all those who backed up IRON and DAWN with their words, rather than actually helping them out. Congrats on the moral victory guys! You really earned it I guess. Now rub GRE's nose in it for all the hard effort you put into IRON's victory. [/quote] not everyone only backed them with words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Throne Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 White peace was too good for them IRON, but congratulations nevertheless. You didn't let them bully you into a humiliating peace and remained firm as they turned themselves into international pariahs. Bravo. o/ Peron o/ IRON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ertyy Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 [quote name='Titus Pullo' timestamp='1280620349' post='2396501'] Then why does Gre follow his personal opinions? [/quote] You really think he voted to end the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land of True Israel Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Congrats IRON. A most honorable and merciful ending. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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