DoE of /b/

[Ghuxalia]

That is all. Edited April 28, 2010 by Ghuxalia

[Sigrun Vapneir]

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' date='28 April 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1272449512' post='2278390']
you see, some people have self control and maybe these new /b/ guys have that? you won't know unless you give them a chance. If they are the same folks posting vile pics then sure roll them, if they are not the same and add to the community, then all the better. The way the member count keeps falling, you might think before running new players off just because they have the alliance name /b/ but hey, it's cool to be srsz bsnz.

hey /b/, forums rules what do?
[/quote]

I dont believe that anyone has even suggested trying to ban these individual nations from existing. The alliance is another matter entirely. On every world on which that alliance has appeared, it has done the same thing. Including here. Expecting anything else would be naïve in the extreme.


[quote name='Arcades057' date='29 April 2010 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1272472839' post='2278577']
Nice of you to compare things the NPO has done with those done by /b/.
[/quote]

Truth hurts eh?

[quote name='Vilien' date='29 April 2010 - 07:11 AM' timestamp='1272489052' post='2278798']
Anyone who has read their Vladimir knows that Pacifican ideology rejects morality in its entirety. Feel free to equate ideologies on opposite sides of the political spectrum if it suits your purposes.
[/quote]

Actually Vladimir expounded a theory of morality which sought to justify each and every action of Pacifica. Your memory or your comprehension level may need some work.

[Stormsend]

Hey, /b/. Have fun.

I don't know what these other folks are so paranoid about.

[Vilien]

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' date='28 April 2010 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1272491287' post='2278838']
Actually Vladimir expounded a theory of morality which sought to justify each and every action of Pacifica. Your memory or your comprehension level may need some work.
[/quote]
I would suggest that you actually read some [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/The_Slavery_of_International_Rights"]Pacifican[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=104&showentry=628"]ideological[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=104&showentry=265"]theory[/url] before trying to patronize me.

[D34th]

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' date='28 April 2010 - 02:21 PM' timestamp='1272471682' post='2278559']
It would be nice to see you hope for the best, at least just once. All those negative vibes.
[/quote]

What can I say? I'm a realistic person, not a optimistic one.

[Sigrun Vapneir]

[quote name='Vilien' date='29 April 2010 - 07:56 AM' timestamp='1272491748' post='2278852']
I would suggest that you actually read some [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/The_Slavery_of_International_Rights"]Pacifican[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=104&showentry=628"]ideological[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=blog&module=display&section=blog&blogid=104&showentry=265"]theory[/url] before trying to patronize me.
[/quote]

Assuming you have actually read the links in queston it is your comprehension level that needs work.

[Merrie Melodies]

[quote name='Jphillips412' date='28 April 2010 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1272476540' post='2278615']
To be fair... 2007 was a pretty ballin' year
[/quote]
Not like 2007

[Vilien]

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' date='28 April 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1272492237' post='2278861']
Assuming you have actually read the links in queston it is your comprehension level that needs work.
[/quote]
[QUOTE]It is self-evident, then, that international rights do not exist... (Slavery of International Rights)
We can therefore see morality as entirely relative, changing from person to person, from group to group, and that the vision of an absolute morality is nothing more than the forced extension of one's own morality onto others... (On the Nature of Absolute Morality) Having discussed the nature of the international sphere -- amoral, competitive, anarchic -- we can begin to realise why this short article is titled 'The Great Abyss'... (The Great Abyss)[/QUOTE]
Those who smugly denigrate the reading comprehension of others should only do so when they have actually [i]read[/i] the works in question. Nonetheless, this discussion is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so I'll leave it at that.

[flak attack]

[quote name='Vilien' date='28 April 2010 - 06:11 PM' timestamp='1272492691' post='2278878']
Those who smugly denigrate the reading comprehension of others should only do so when they have actually [i]read[/i] the works in question. Nonetheless, this discussion is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so I'll leave it at that.
[/quote]
http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/The_Morality_of_War

[quote]where an alliance has been unjustly placed under attack in some way and war is necessary and productive in securing its member nations, it is the moral duty of that alliance to conduct it.[/quote]

Let's be honest here, using Vlad's definition of the week isn't exactly the greatest base for deciding the NPO's ideals, since Francoism is, after all, whatever Vlad says it is.

[Penkala]

[quote name='Arcades057' date='28 April 2010 - 12:40 PM' timestamp='1272472839' post='2278577']
Nice of you to compare things the NPO has done with those done by /b/. Your moral relativism is refreshing in your equating of in-game attacks on other alliances with the posting of child pornography and hacking of the game.

I can't think of a way to make that IC.
[/quote]

No, that's not the point. The point is that just because you don't like the way an alliance operated 3 years ago you should bash people when they try to start anew. If they $%&@ up we can kill them then. If not then leave them alone. It's really that simple. I'm fairly certain if we cut them off a few days into their existence we'd see the result you so fear around here. They'd surely react.

But don't let rational thought cloud your "MAIM KILL" mindset. I'm sure if we began attacking their 20 NS nations we'd not only militarily destroy them (because we have tons of people in range!) they'd quietly leave us alone, not get pissed and lead to pretty much chaos for a week or so. By attacking them you would only guarantee that what you fear would come to pass.

Edited April 28, 2010 by Penkala

[Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz]

[quote name='Boyle' date='29 April 2010 - 07:53 AM' timestamp='1272488012' post='2278774']
That is to say, /b/ made the world a more interesting place.
[/quote]
What, by shutting it down for a while? Yeah, that certainly made things interesting

[Sigrun Vapneir]

[quote name='Vilien' date='29 April 2010 - 08:11 AM' timestamp='1272492691' post='2278878']
Those who smugly denigrate the reading comprehension of others should only do so when they have actually [i]read[/i] the works in question. Nonetheless, this discussion is irrelevant to the topic at hand, so I'll leave it at that.
[/quote]

The quote you picked out yourself in that very post makes it exceedingly clear that he is propounding a theory of morality just as I said. The jaw drops and the hand smacks the forehead. Apparently you dont even understand what a theory of morality is, and given that the meaning of the phrase can be accurately deduced from the three words of which it is composed, I can only marvel at your truly astonishing lack of comprehension of what I presume is your own native language.

[Vilien]

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' date='28 April 2010 - 08:27 PM' timestamp='1272500817' post='2279093']
The quote you picked out yourself in that very post makes it exceedingly clear that he is propounding a theory of morality just as I said. The jaw drops and the hand smacks the forehead. Apparently you dont even understand what a theory of morality is, and given that the meaning of the phrase can be accurately deduced from the three words of which it is composed, I can only marvel at your truly astonishing lack of comprehension of what I presume is your own native language.
[/quote]
I'm always pleasantly surprised by the pompous idiocy which some posters manage to carry on conversations. Take a second, just one, out of formatting those moronic hip shots to learn to differentiate between the words "morality" and "moralism". You see, "morality" is a word that signifies a code of ethics or set of beliefs held by a person or group. As much as your overworked heart might skip a beat at my dear friend Vladimir's mention of the word "morality", you must understand that "moralism" and "morality" are not identical words. In fact, some of the letters are completely different!

You see, my over-aggressive opponent-of-the-day, "moralism" is an [i]ideology[/i], and relative to Cybernations refers to the strict adherence to a code of ethics, typically in the sense of classical liberalism. That means that a moralist, or moralist alliance, would fight for the principles of "liberty" and "self determination" over concepts like, say, "order" and "stability". Any casual forumgoer might have trouble distinguishing between Pacifica's consistently and clearly stated policy of scientific realpolitik and emotionally based moralism. However, you and I both know that you are much, much more intelligent than the average poster.

Thus, it would behoove you to consider the actual definitions of words, their historical significance, and the context of the discussion taking place before you decide to shoot off unnecessary insults toward your intellectual betters. Thank you for your time.

[USOFAA]

[quote name='Penkala' date='28 April 2010 - 06:08 PM' timestamp='1272496092' post='2278956']
No, that's not the point. The point is that just because you don't like the way an alliance operated 3 years ago you should bash people when they try to start anew. If they $%&@ up we can kill them then. If not then leave them alone. It's really that simple. I'm fairly certain if we cut them off a few days into their existence we'd see the result you so fear around here. They'd surely react.

But don't let rational thought cloud your "MAIM KILL" mindset. I'm sure if we began attacking their 20 NS nations we'd not only militarily destroy them (because we have tons of people in range!) they'd quietly leave us alone, not get pissed and lead to pretty much chaos for a week or so. By attacking them you would only guarantee that what you fear would come to pass.
[/quote]
That last part war is part of the game. Would that not make people want to kill them and get it over with? Really how many names could you call a alliance. What is the point of makeing one with that name. Its a game to them and a bad one from what i hear of the old /b/.

Edited April 29, 2010 by USOFAA

[Baldr]

I'm utterly amazed at people comparing GOONS and NPO to /b/.

Posting child porn and other disgusting stuff to the forums, DDoSing the game, hacking in and stealing the code, these are all real world crimes. Pretending it's no different from anything that NPO or GOONS did makes no sense.

[Arcades057]

[quote name='USOFAA' date='28 April 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1272501827' post='2279113']
That last part war is part of the game. Would that not make people want to kill them and get it over with?[b] Really how many names could you call a alliance. What is the point of makeing one with that name.[/b] Its a game to them and a bad one from what i hear of the old /b/.
[/quote]

At least you get it. I'm done explaining it to the rest of you and will become available again when I can say "I told you so" when the laughably naive intelligentsia of Bob express their shock at /b/ acting like /b/ again.

[Cortath]

[quote name='Baldr' date='28 April 2010 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1272503149' post='2279138']
I'm utterly amazed at people comparing GOONS and NPO to /b/.

Posting child porn and other disgusting stuff to the forums, DDoSing the game, hacking in and stealing the code, these are all real world crimes. Pretending it's no different from anything that NPO or GOONS did makes no sense.
[/quote]

This.

Please people. When my alliance and its government starts a massive simultaneous campaign of posting child pornography and other horrific images, and engage in concerted attempts to shut down these forums through malicious attacks, [i]then[/i] you can compare us to these people.

You might not like what we do politically, but my neither government nor the members of my alliance have ever engaged in concerted efforts to violate RL law.

Edited April 29, 2010 by Cortath

[Hakim]

I agree that there is no comparing GOONS or NPO to what the name /b/ actually conjures in the thoughts of those who witnessed there atrocities. Nothing compares and it is unintelligent to even mention them in the same breath...like I have done, I know. But the premise of my thought is still there.

I never thought this alliance would try and make a comeback under this name. Some things are unforgivable and will never be forgotten.

There are no "good intentions" with calling their new alliance /b/...like has been stated previously there are many names that could have been used.

[commander thrawn]

I am pretty sure /b/ tried to come back a few months ago.

[rostovripper]

It amazes me just how much controversy we, as an alliance, have generated in such a short time. Especially considering that we have no true intention of repeating our predecessors.

[James Wilson]

Oh, you kids. Good luck tonight, and remember, have FUN with it .

[Cortath]

[quote name='rostovripper' date='28 April 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1272510223' post='2279273']
It amazes me just how much controversy we, as an alliance, have generated in such a short time. Especially considering that we have no true intention of repeating our predecessors.
[/quote]

Don't be amazed. This is CN. You can't spit without both hitting and causing controversy.

[rostovripper]

[quote name='Cortath' date='28 April 2010 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1272511266' post='2279288']
Don't be amazed. This is CN. You can't spit without both hitting and causing controversy.
[/quote]

Evidently. Oh well, nothing to do but prove them wrong about us.

[Hakim]

[quote name='rostovripper' date='28 April 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1272511483' post='2279291']
Evidently. Oh well, nothing to do but prove them wrong about us.
[/quote]

Evidently, you should have chosen another name.

[Boyle]

[quote name='commander thrawn' date='28 April 2010 - 10:41 PM' timestamp='1272508882' post='2279248']
I am pretty sure /b/ tried to come back a few months ago.
[/quote]
Yeah, they do, or KRJ does, every now and again.