Jinnai Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 He did not say that it was dishonorable. In fact, he stated that he agreed with Stonewall Jaxon's statement that you guys were NOT dishonorable. He merely expressed and clarified his opinion that your defense was in support of IRON's aggressive actions. You mean IRON's preemptive actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilgar Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) You mean IRON's preemptive actions. Personally, that's what I would have said had I been the one making the argument. However my alliance-mate's opinion was that it was aggressive and this was what he was arguing and I was simply clarifying his position using his words. Edited January 30, 2010 by Stilgar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoiL Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Personally, that's what I would have said had I been the one making the argument. However my alliance-mate's opinion was that it was aggressive and this was what he was arguing and I was simply clarifying his position using his words. Which is exactly why this war will continue. Not because it is a new war, but because whoever wants to roll IRON/TOP found an excuse decent enough to spin without losing so much face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heggo Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) None of that matters anyway, lads. The Sith aren't elawyers, and I don't think you need to look any further than the Moldavi Doctrine to learn that. The only important point here is that we don't abandon our allies. Period. Discussion of the legitimacy of IRON's war can be for some other place. Edited January 30, 2010 by heggo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilgar Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 The only important point here is that we don't abandon our allies. Period. And when it comes right down to it, this is what will be (should be) remembered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyroman Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Shortest signature of your life Sir Ivan. I wish you guys good luck, and you should know that CD will be waiting to rebuild you on the peaceful side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafiel Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I think anyone objective will see this as a very honorable action. I can just salute you guys. from every aspect I look at this, it looks like assisting in war of aggression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilgar Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 from every aspect I look at this, it looks like assisting in war of aggression That may or may not have been right, but I think that honor is not directly tied to right or wrong. Upholding the spirit of your treaty and riding with your friends into the valley of death is quite honorable indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerius Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I was trying to think of a sentence to adequately commemorate this honourable decision, and I couldn't really. Nonetheless, all we can do from the opposite side is hail, wish good luck, and wait with a pot of gold for the end of this damned war. Good luck, friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 from every aspect I look at this, it looks like assisting in war of aggression Every time anyone declares a war it is an aggressive action. War is blatant and hostile physical aggression. Everything else is semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord GVChamp Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Get over yourself. Nobody cares about you that much, Fark hit IRON to defend their allies. Hrm... http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79442 IRON and DAWN hereby declare war against CnG http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Complaints_and_Grievances Member Alliances:League Of Shadows Treaty Mushroom Kingdom Athens Vanguard Greenland Republic Federation of Buccaneers Orange Defense Network http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79458 Through our MDoAP with our friends in the Mostly Harmless Alliance, Farkistan declares that a state of war exists with the Independent Republic of Orange Nations. I must conclude that, since MHA was not actually attacked, Farkistan activated the optional aggresion portion of its treaty. How this involves defending their allies, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnar Griffin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) This is very honorable. Edited January 30, 2010 by Gunnar Griffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivellios Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 It will be a tough fight, but it is for the best. to Honor 0/ To the Sith 0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 You don't know me very well then. Nice to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Which is exactly why this war will continue. Not because it is a new war, but because whoever wants to roll IRON/TOP found an excuse decent enough to spin without losing so much face. It's like we wrote the no-CB dow TOP threw at an uninvolved party and then forced them to sign it. Seriously, blaming someone's stupidity on your opponents is just hilarious. Keep it coming though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Yes IRON's war was aggressive and against alliances not fighting and they had no treaties to give them the reason to do so. Who cares? I don't see you condemning GOD for doing the same thing? As people have pointed out, MK and Co. would have been hitting IRON after the entered the war. So this can hardly be construed as an aggressive action on this part. If someone is to blame it is Polar. IRON and TOP supported Polar and then Grub pulls this on them in order to get himself out of a tight spot. If you look at the big picture, it would just be a weasel move for any alliance to leave their friends in a spot like this. NSO won't be doing that. So lawyer elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Mixed bag here. I was hoping for peace for the NSO, they have been more than extended in the war that just got over. Of course i should have realized they will go right back in. Have fun you crazy sith. Break some stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaciaut Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Who cares? I don't see you condemning GOD for doing the same thing? As people have pointed out, MK and Co. would have been hitting IRON after the entered the war. So this can hardly be construed as an aggressive action on this part. If someone is to blame it is Polar. IRON and TOP supported Polar and then Grub pulls this on them in order to get himself out of a tight spot. If you look at the big picture, it would just be a weasel move for any alliance to leave their friends in a spot like this. NSO won't be doing that. So lawyer elsewhere. I'd like you to lend me your time machine with which you can so clearly see into the future and predict MK's actions. Till then i'll hold someone's closeness to facts (or e-lawyering as you call it) closer than other's desire for speculation, completely un-biased in this case of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtamdraugr Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I did not mean for that to turn into an argument. so.. just have fun... crazy $%&@ers. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrideAssassin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) Go Sith! Now to exterminate those pesky Mandalorian wannabes... Edited January 30, 2010 by PrideAssassin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccabal86 Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 o/ NSO Thanks for having our backs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Who cares? I don't see you condemning GOD for doing the same thing? As people have pointed out, MK and Co. would have been hitting IRON after the entered the war. So this can hardly be construed as an aggressive action on this part. If someone is to blame it is Polar. IRON and TOP supported Polar and then Grub pulls this on them in order to get himself out of a tight spot. If you look at the big picture, it would just be a weasel move for any alliance to leave their friends in a spot like this. NSO won't be doing that. So lawyer elsewhere. Actually we entered by way of our MDoAP with RnR, against an alliance who was already engaged in the war - we just acknowledged that the real reason for war had less to do with the treaty and more to do with greater coalition strategy. The situations are pretty distinctly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrideAssassin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Actually we entered by way of our MDoAP with RnR, against an alliance who was already engaged in the war - we just acknowledged that the real reason for war had less to do with the treaty and more to do with greater coalition strategy. The situations are pretty distinctly different. lol Keep up the bandwagon. When you grow a pair, gimme a ring, aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Actually we entered by way of our MDoAP with RnR, against an alliance who was already engaged in the war - we just acknowledged that the real reason for war had less to do with the treaty and more to do with greater coalition strategy. The situations are pretty distinctly different. Irrelevant. IRON and TOP supported Polar and then Grub pulls this on them in order to get himself out of a tight spot. If you look at the big picture, it would just be a weasel move for any alliance to leave their friends in a spot like this. NSO won't be doing that. So lawyer elsewhere. RV's point here still stands. I know how fickle the community here can be but I'm taken aback by how many act like this is seriously a separate war that TOP/IRON just attacked for no reason. It's completely ridiculously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulafaras Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Irrelevant. RV's point here still stands. I know how fickle the community here can be but I'm taken aback by how many act like this is seriously a separate war that TOP/IRON just attacked for no reason. It's completely ridiculously Considering that your side is fighting for "community standards" it seems kind of strange to suddenly run straight over a number of standards that have been universally accepted. Preemptive attacks have never been accepted, and in this case the situation is even worse because the attackers didn't even have a treaty to chain them into the war. Trying to compare that to our declaration is laughable at best and empty rethoric. @PrideAssassin: when you grow a brain give us a ring, aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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