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  1. At one point in the whole history of mankind has Unconditional Surrender meant "Surrender without any worry that we'll demand things from you"? Does Legion really think they're in a place to demand surrender? Do they really think we would surrender to someone that barely even knows what the terms they're attempting to specify are? Cripes, we're going to have to give y'all a viceroy just so we'll have someone competent enough to negotiate with.
  2. [quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1318670619' post='2825543'] Speaking of demasking, I wonder how long mine lasts on the NSO forums... [/quote] Hail Varianz, full of grace. May your mask live long and may ye prosper. I bid that only you tell me of such things sooner, so I could find some way to make it all the more magnificent.
  3. [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1318572369' post='2824709'] If they don't want to declare war outright; They should at least go GOONS/NG and demand 33 million or something. [/quote] I hope not. Why can't we just kill people the old fashioned way anymore?
  4. [quote name='TheListener' timestamp='1318572181' post='2824707'] NSO, it would seem has established two completely terrible precedents recently, the first being the precedent of "Oh we asked them not to get involved" and now this proxy war via aid. Thank you NSO! [/quote] That which you save becomes yours to destroy, I suppose.
  5. [quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1318571720' post='2824705'] This is a disturbing trend. That's not just aimed at NpO, but the other side doing the same. I hope in both cases and future cases aid bombs are treated like a DoW. My only hope is that the allies of those fighting Legion consider this grounds for war. Good to see allies sticking up for allies. Sure was a slow response, but under the circumstances I guess I can buy it....almost. [/quote] I imagine most people view it as grounds for war, but we shall see if any would like to act on it.
  6. I really hope we don't end up with a rash of wars that don't escalate because they're fought by proxy via aid flows after this. That would make this world even more disappointing than before. I prefer my wars big. Oh well.
  7. Tetris the NSsOs ride to war. How long till Legion ends up needing to call in an army of allies on us?
  8. [quote name='deth2munkies' timestamp='1317760720' post='2816366'] Tch, to think I actually had some respect for you guys at one point. Ahh well, no use talking to a brick wall with no logical mind. [/quote] What's not logical about holding one standard for Legion and one for other alliances? Legion is different from other alliances so they should have different standards. Why, Legion even said themselves that they're different from other alliances. Something about not liking it when viceroys from other places were put in charge of them. Okay, but let's actually be serious for a minute. Did Tetris do something sketchy? Yes. If you use a "if screenshots, then spying" metric, it's hard to say otherwise. But did Tetris infiltrate Legion or their upper gov with a spy ring or do anything like that? Obviously not. Those sorts of mostly irrelevant posts come from disgruntled members or attention seeking folks who take them in the generic all members forum and send them out to CNtel and every other place they can. Spying got its place in the pantheon of CBs because real spying involves getting valuable intelligence from sensitive gov forums and the spies in question manipulating other alliance members to make FA and other moves for the benefit of other alliances. It further breaks trust within the alliance, since the leadership no longer knows what parts of itself can and can't be trusted. Real, legit spying is certainly a cause for war, but this isn't that. It's basically a Legion internal issue (undisciplined member sending out screenshots) that became an international one because Tetris posted them here. Sketchy, and "spying" if you want to go with a really weak sense of the word, but certainly not like the real deal I described above. And certainly not something that couldn't have fallen into the realm of "worked out via negotiations if we tried". All of which doesn't mean Legion was outside their rights to be upset or even start a war about it. Just that it's not a case of "Hurr hurr hurr, NSO defending vile spy ring sending corrupters, Tetris' sins are so great they deserve to be abandoned by their allies!" Legion has the right to war anyone for any reason. That's long been mine and the NSO's stance about all alliances. That was basically the whole point of the Moldavi Doctrine. All I'm saying is that it's silly to say Tetris has done something so ruddy awful that they ought to be lit afire and left to burn entirely and on their own. They clearly don't deserve that for doing something so awful as to -- gasp -- repost CNtel info onto this board. Of course, even if they did deserve that, we'd still back them up, but I feel like some measure of their honor ought to be defended against the extremity of claims made against them. Some folks were acting as if Tetris somehow managed to pose an existential threat of sorts to Legion, rather than just an (entertaining) nuisance. PS -- I find it sad that the expectations on this board today are so low that someone could actually interpret me blatantly advocating a series of double standards as anything other than some mix of humor and satire. Though at least I think ChairmanHal got it.
  9. [quote name='deth2munkies' timestamp='1317759898' post='2816354'] I honestly don't know what happened between the NSO and Legion a few months ago because I've been on an extended vacation, but I fail to see how it matters. The reality is that Tetris tried to mess with the Legion under the " do something about it" banner, and something was done. They and you have no right to !@#$%* and moan about it. [/quote] Why, 'twas but a few months ago that we did exactly what Tetris did to them. They didn't mind then so I don't see why they're suddenly flip flopping about it. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to settle for Legion getting rolled by two alliances that are cumulatively half their size. Unless they need to call in allies to deal with we lil' guys. [quote name='deth2munkies' timestamp='1317760138' post='2816357'] Are you really going to say that [i]just[/i] because it's Legion it's somehow not valid? [/quote] I think I'll go with a yes.
  10. [quote name='Vulpes Inculta' timestamp='1317759283' post='2816340'] ... doing nothing more than attempting to lower Legion's reputation even further. This in itself warrants the punch in the face Tetris is now recieving, ... [/quote] Wow, I'm shocked that anybody can believe this anymore. Attempting to lower Legion's reputation is a just cause for war? Really? Maybe that would fly if you were a Pacifican emperor back in their glory days, but now-a-days we have a little thing called respect for other peoples' opinions mister. And besides, by your logic, the CB Legion has should be against themselves, not Tetris, since Tetris only was the messenger for Legion's posts. Legion can't besmirch itself to the brink of war, can it?
  11. [quote name='deth2munkies' timestamp='1317759134' post='2816338'] Then act like the thing you quoted second. This has to be the most piss-poor excuse I've ever read, and I really hope it's more your vested interest in Tetris talking rather than you just being that incredibly thick. History has never differentiated between the sources and disseminators of information, they have always been held equally as culpable and subject to the same strong retribution. Spying is the oldest CB in the world and can hardly be called an unjust one. Tetris is like a 3rd grade kid who stole the 8th grade kid's lunch, spat in his face, and called him names and somehow didn't expect to get punched right in the face. Now they're calling their big brothers in because they've been "unjustly attacked". I don't begrudge the NSO for going in, in fact I welcome them, the party gets a lot more interesting then, but don't be throwing BS like this around. [/quote] Don't be silly about history, messengers have always been thought of differently as the actual issuer of the message. So it can't possibly be spying. And besides, if it really were a CB, wouldn't someone have used it against the NSO when we did the exact same thing to Legion a few months ago? Why, back then, there wasn't any bother about it all. I'm convinced this was all just a misunderstanding resulting from Tetris' offer to do whatever it takes for Legion to make up for this whole affair. That was nice, but they must have accidentally convinced Legion they did something wrong in the process.
  12. [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1317757915' post='2816328'] So says Tetris. My recommendation: don't collaborate with spies and publish the information they gather for lulz. You might get whacked on the head. [/quote] Only the basest of distortions could suggest that Tetris' commitment to freedom of information has anything in common with spying. They're just reporters is all. Wikileaksers, if you prefer. Little block shaped Julian Assanges. I don't see why you think standing up for freedom and newspapers is such a bad idea. And besides, it's not like they published anything hurtful anyway. It was clearly just an excuse for Legion to strut around and pretend it knows when it's a good idea to start wars. Also, this: [quote name='AtheistRepublican' timestamp='1317703305' post='2815652'] While I am not jumping for joy at two of our former allies now at war...I cannot help but laugh at the people in this thread who do not understand the NSO or what they stand for. "B-but spying...!" Tetris could have tech raided Legion while poaching members while fully admitting to and endorsing the spying (as opposed to now playing the "victim" card, but I digress...) and all this would not have mattered to the NSO. They love war, and will gladly take the opportunity to war - especially against someone they hate like Legion. Because peace is a [i]lie[/i]. [/quote]
  13. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1317750198' post='2816241'] You joined Polar in flip-flopping and bailing out of Bipolar once it appeared that the odds were no longer in your favour and the curbstomp was going to go the other way. [/quote] Now now, Polar betrayed *all* of us. Not just the NSO. STA too. Everyone! They betrayed all the allies! Lumping STA in with that just isn't fair. Also, when y'all enter the war, I believe NSO policy will be to launch one cruise missile per word in each of the stories you used to tell back in our chan. By my calculations, that alone should be enough to leave your alliance ZI'd
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