Seerow Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 NSO was just granted white peace, why are you declaring war again? Can you point to the topic where white peace was declared? I seem to have missed it, as did Ivan who has stated FARK denied him peace. So that they don't get dragged in by our stupidity But you have no problem getting dragged into theirs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jackson Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 On an unrelated note. I like your sig. Oh and to stay on topic, we're going to hold 'em by the nose, and kick 'em in the pants [OOC] Yes, I changed generals. Sue me [/OOC] Mort Kunstler is quite the artist if I may say so. Earth produces quality artists! I will be contacting the Corporation's legal department immediately, good sir. The outrage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Can you point to the topic where white peace was declared? I seem to have missed it, as did Ivan who has stated FARK denied him peace. But you have no problem getting dragged into theirs... Nope. None at all, we sign treaties, and we know full well what we're getting into when we do so. It's a commitment, even if it's not reflected in the text of the treaty itself, we felt it would be a gross violation of why that treaty was signed in the first place if we didn't help out our ally in their darkest hour.That's what treaties are for, after all, and I think you can understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 But you have no problem getting dragged into theirs... IRON's actions were in support of the conflicts ourselves and our allies were in. They may not have been the best strategy, and coupled with the sudden and unexpected evaporation of the initial reason for the war (and thus any need for escalation) it became unnecessary, but no one knew that at the time, and their intentions were sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenann Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Everyone screaming before that you were all talk are now being slapped with reality. I did not envy you, and the position you were forced into. Your actions speak loud and clear. o/ The New Sith Order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Nope. None at all, we sign treaties, and we know full well what we're getting into when we do so. It's a commitment, even if it's not reflected in the text of the treaty itself, we felt it would be a gross violation of why that treaty was signed in the first place if we didn't help out our ally in their darkest hour. That's what treaties are for, after all, and I think you can understand that. I would expect both parties equally understanding of each other, and writing in non-chaining clauses to protect them from you while treating it as a chaining treaty for yourself seems foreign to me. I mean seriously, I can sympathize with you guys for having trouble reaching peace, but this was not the way to remedy that situation. Now that you've willingly thrust yourself further into a war in which you no longer have a real obligation, I imagine it will be harder to find the great lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Everyone screaming before that you were all talk are now being slapped with reality. I did not envy you, and the position you were forced into. Your actions speak loud and clear. o/ The New Sith Order The most painful slap in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Quite an Honorable Move NSO, I'm glad to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum T. Gundraw Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 They believe Fark declared war on IRON to hold NSO in a war given IRON's MDoAP with NSO. Thus even if one front wraps up, the other front presents NSO having to fight due to a treaty obligation. Hope that's right. Because honoring a treaty with MHA is obviously a diabolical scheme to keep NSO down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I would expect both parties equally understanding of each other, and writing in non-chaining clauses to protect them from you while treating it as a chaining treaty for yourself seems foreign to me. I mean seriously, I can sympathize with you guys for having trouble reaching peace, but this was not the way to remedy that situation. Now that you've willingly thrust yourself further into a war in which you no longer have a real obligation, I imagine it will be harder to find the great lie. Not having the legal or technical obligation does not mean we should just ignore the bond, or the context of events. You're suggesting we just use the text of the treaty to dodge a fight because we might not win. That's dumb, and not how we work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Because honoring a treaty with MHA is obviously a diabolical scheme to keep NSO down. Maybe keeping an alliance down isn't the same as fulfilling a treaty obligation, you know. But such a thing doesn't exist on this side of the treaty web. You've had us figured out since 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallin Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 While I'm usually not a fan of Ivan, I do admire the spirit that this announcement is being made in. o/ NSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Because honoring a treaty with MHA is obviously a diabolical scheme to keep NSO down. While I also have a very low opinion of a number of the alliances that IRON has declared on or was declared on by (I won't say all simply because I'm not actually sure how large that dogpile grew) the suggestion that Fark's entrance to the war in support of MHA in support of whoever was anything but redundant strikes me as odd. Because otherwise IRON would have destroyed MHA, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Also I just double checked your MDoAP with IRON, which has a non-chaining clause, so there was no way to force you into the war which was declared offensively by IRON without a CB. The defense is optional per the terms of your treaty, while you have chosen to honor the treaty, it was not mandatory. IRON entered this war to assist Polar and its CB (same with TOP). I am not saying hitting CnG was the best idea, but that is irrelevant. The last war is why IRON is in this one. Now you're right, NSO could lawyer their way out of this, but I wouldn't expect to see such behavior from them. Polar perhaps, but not these guys. Anyway, good luck fellows. Expect a FAIL declaration in a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Monkey Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I hope you all the best and I assure you that you will have help very soon. It may not change the course of things but it is the only honorable thing to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) I would expect both parties equally understanding of each other, and writing in non-chaining clauses to protect them from you while treating it as a chaining treaty for yourself seems foreign to me. I mean seriously, I can sympathize with you guys for having trouble reaching peace, but this was not the way to remedy that situation. Now that you've willingly thrust yourself further into a war in which you no longer have a real obligation, I imagine it will be harder to find the great lie. It's what we decided. And besides, that's why it's the Great Lie. Regardless, we're not activating the treaty with this declaration, this is an entirely aggressive declaration on the part of the Sith. It's entirely in the treaties spirit, regardless of the treaty's text, or even existence. Edit: Brains are fried today Edited January 30, 2010 by Chron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I must admit over the last 24 hours, in the swirl of rumors, I had my doubts about you guys. When asked about said doubts, I deferred discussion, deciding to let your actions speak for you. And they have. I apologize for my having doubting you, NSO. Thank you for having the backs of my brothers in IRON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsuki Koizumi Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 ARRGGHHH THE MHA MENACE MUST BE DESTROYED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Good luck Ivan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 It's what we decided. And besides, that's why it's the Great Lie. Regardless, we're not activating the treaty with this declaration, this is an entirely aggressive declaration on the part of the Sith. It's entirely in the treaties spirit, regardless of the treaty's text, or even existence. As Ivan said, this is an invocation of the Moldavi Doctrine. Well then I missed that. If you're invoking the Moldavi doctrine I'll pack up my briefcase and leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 While I respect the decision, a little notice would have been nice. It would have saved me (and for that matter Lint) a lot of unnecessary work today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Well then I missed that. If you're invoking the Moldavi doctrine I'll pack up my briefcase and leave. Ah, turns out we aren't. I got mixed up with the CSN declaration. Now I feel silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 ARRGGHHH THE MHA MENACE MUST BE DESTROYED You mean Fark, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) o\ NSO Thanks for your support Edited January 30, 2010 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 NSO IRON appreciates your support o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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