Gunnar Griffin

[quote name='Imperial' date='23 June 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1277331711' post='2348115'] I can't argue with you there LF. Legion spawns many smaller alliances and it has many ex-Legionnaires. I will say that this instance has been overinflated by leaps and bounds. I don't think that Gunnar would have edited large parts of the original complaint if the matter hadn't already been internally dealt with to the satisfaction of most. I'm not defending the actions of Arbiter or Feibelman, they are wrong. But had Gunnar remained within the alliance to make those improvements you spoke of, he probably would have accomplished much more than by this posting. That is the nature of the beast, you can't change it from the outside looking in. [/quote] A member of government was aware that it had occurred. He had actually forced Feibelman to apologize. I thought that would have been the end of it. [quote] Gunnar, the ban from the Legion forums is temporary and will auto-expire in several days. [/quote] Thanks for changing that to temporary.

[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' date='23 June 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1277267327' post='2347294'] Were logs posted here? Or is it time to go pastebin diving? Gunnar it is depressing that you had to undergo such treatment from those you might have considered to be friends. You have since removed yourself from the situation, I guess you took the path you deemed to be the best amongst those available to you at the time. I would have stayed and tried to effect a change, but not being in your shoes i shall have to defer to your choice in the matter. Also it is noted that the accused have displayed contrition and acknowledged the error of their ways. It wont make the hurt go away, but it is a start. Of course if Gunnar is further persecuted owing to this topic, then it would seem that the contrition was not genuine. [/quote] I didn't post the logs because they'd be quite scandalous. I just explained a bit of my situation was all. And thanks for the well wishes bro.

Banned me from the Legion forums, eh Arbiter? Any reason? Was it because I outed you as a racist? Since you couldn't back yourself up through reasoning, you decided to resort to that.

[quote name='lmcfalcon12' date='22 June 2010 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1277236376' post='2346858'] I commend you really. Because that would be the best method to take care of this situation. And since some of the members involved are sitting on their couches reading the topic when they could be defending or reasoning, I'll do my best to enlighten you all. The IRC logs are pretty hateful. Involving some racist slurs and what not. It was brought to light on our main forums and was dealt with accordingly. Everyone was made aware of the situation, and the Inspector General and government members (who are not involved) are taking care of it. The individual who started this topic, freely left our alliance on his own. Even though we were working on fixing things, and hateful things were said, it was his choice to do what he did...on both accounts [leaving and starting this topic]. He was not forced out. I'm not going to sit here and say that racism is okay, because it most certainly is not. There's no place for racists in this game. We just want to play, have fun etc. At least I do. I don't know what anyone else's motives are. As far as the alliance goes, I don't approve of what was said, but I think it was pretty well dealt with. They both issued apologies on our forums (which was where this should have stayed). I guess the best thing I can say is that racism disgusts me and The Legion is overall a pretty nice group of characters. Don't let a few bad apples taint the barrel. The opinions of those few individuals do not reflect the views of everyone. [/quote] Most of this is true. However, LMC, you are aware I was told that I could suffer punishment if I returned and I was being blamed for some of it. Therefore I found it prudent, at the time, to make this topic. I did leave of my own volition; however, the decision was made as I did not want to be in an alliance with Feibelman and Arbiter, especially since they are government. I agree with the rest of your sentiments.

[quote name='lmcfalcon12' date='22 June 2010 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1277232422' post='2346793'] I cannot confirm that. I am not positive that would have happened. But fueling the fire and bickering has gotten several people in trouble recently. You can't expect to just walk away after biting back. Just saying... [/quote] Ah, I was told I could get punished if I came back. Racism and bickering are not the same thing so to be punished with the likes of a racist for bickering seems ill-intentioned. I hold you in high regard, so I want your opinion (you can PM me if necessary), but I most certainly did not do anything to deserve this crap.

[quote name='lmcfalcon12' date='22 June 2010 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1277231996' post='2346781'] Dude. I tried to help you privately on the Legion forums. This public display, or whatever it is, is so not cool. Them being whatever you view them as, taking it to the BBs was so not cool. Not a display of maturity that I always viewed you had. You're really not showing your true colors here and for your own safety and respect, I suggest you drop this. This is nothing more than entertainment for some and a purposeful jab at the alliance as a whole. We're not all like that, and you know it. [/quote] I'm sure everyone knows that the alliance isn't like that as a whole. You did help me; however, I have every right to feel aggrieved over the fact that I supposedly would have been punished if I came back to the Legion over insults directed at me by two members.

[quote name='The Arbiter' date='22 June 2010 - 02:01 PM' timestamp='1277229685' post='2346723'] You came back from your extended LoA with one goal in mind, to cause trouble. You achieved your goal, why don't you just move on now? Feibelman and I like to joke around a lot and if you honestly took that as serious anti-Indian sentiment, sorry. Nobody appreciates you airing your dirty laundry out here on the BBs. As ktarthan said, there are two sides to every story. Coming back from LoA and attacking me the entire 24 hours you were back was a significant detail you conveniently omitted. I'm done with this ordeal and I'm not posting here again. Carry on. [/quote] I have logs that will show that it was more than jest. I'd rather not show them, but if you want to continue this further, I damn well will.

[quote name='totem' date='22 June 2010 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1277228173' post='2346693'] So your thread on our boards got moved from the lounge and you post it here instead because oh so many legionnaires read the OWF? right.. Anyway, good luck wherever it is you're going, and feel free to drag this on until you feel better. [/quote] It got deleted from the Lounge, and that's what I gathered from Arbiter's post, "You make a thread like that again and I'll ban you," or something to that effect. Moreover, I didn't carry anything, lies were spread in my absence where I was being blamed for the abuse against me. I have every right to feel aggrieved after I was told that "if you come back, expect some sort of punishment."

Meh, I'm not quitting, not yet anyways. And @ktarthan: there isn't any part of the story I've left out. I have logs of the first time this occurred. And the tirade that was leveled against me at that time was provoked by a picture of myself I posted with my girlfriend on the "Photobooth" thread. There was nothing offensive about it. Point is, I get racist jokes and stuff from my friends, but it's playful. I don't care about stuff like that, even if it's a little racy. Its in jest and good humor. But when you say stuff like that seriously, then that's where I have a problem.

Edit: It seems I was misinformed. The two people in question were called out and reprimanded, I actually wasn't being blamed for any of it (except by the two people obviously). So I'm sorry if the topic caused any trouble to the Legion. I'd like to reiterate that the Legion isn't racist, just the two members were and the Legion saw it. Although both of them are still government, at least they got called out in front of every Legionnaire for their crap. Apologies for starting this thread, my bad.

[quote name='Lord Anthraxus' date='27 May 2010 - 08:45 AM' timestamp='1274964305' post='2313429'] Hey Gunnar I am making circle for my alliance (TCI) And I have someone who wants into this circle! He is willing to switch to black! His nation link:[url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=233128"]Templar[/url] He has Aluminum and Spices! Please add him ASAP! I will help ya find the last person you need! Lord Anthraxus [/quote] Let me know if he's still interested =]

[quote name='goldielax25' date='21 May 2010 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1274456229' post='2306969'] I hear it's beautiful in Stockholm this time of year. Congrats on the treaty. [/quote] This is why Joe the Plumber yelling at the game isn't allowed to be the manager for Liverpool. Armchair quarterbacks FTL. Congratulations are in order, friends.

Sent quite a few messages. Here's a copy of the message: [quote]Hey, I'm making a 3BR + Uranium Trade Circle on Black, would you like to be a part of it? It will provide you with long term trades that you won't have to worry about being canceled. Just visit the link at the bottom and sign up for it, any other information on the circle is on the link. You can just PM me for any additional info. Link: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=85466[/quote]