Cataduanes Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) Doesn't mean they were the same. They'd gotten complacent. They let their own allies drift away. That, not some sort of revolution, killed them. When half of what you thought was your own army ends up fighting for the other side because you alienated them, you've failed. Most of the forces of Karma had fought for the Hegemony in the War of the Coalition.-Bama True enough, you alluded to roughly half having served the Hegemony in the past, but others (both alliances and individuals) were victims of many injustices perpertrated by the Hegemony. For those in the latter bracket Karma was indeed something close to a revolution, a supreme expression of bent pent up anger and revenge. Sure Pacifica dropped the ball so to speak but to state that the Karma War was not revolutionary in its consequences is plain wrong in my humble view ...Also i miss your old avvy Edited January 8, 2010 by Cataduanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amossio Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I'm unsure whether it's NAAC-NPO or GOONS-LoSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) Nordreich vs RL Norwegian government and media Edited January 8, 2010 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Gabriel Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 \m/ vs None. Especially when Walford & CNARF got involved. LUE vs NPO has to be the big one in my mind though - the bloc which opposed NPO was even named after them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I always imagined some sort of revolution or civil war taking them down, not ignoble senility. But it did. The "split within the house" (how I call the feud between, to call it simply, Sponge's side and Moo's side, although to call sides as such is not entirely precise) was the moment in which Order lost its game. At that point Order was taken down, entirely by its own devices. Polars got their beating and changing of character in the WotC (as I noticed its called) and NPO got its beating in "karma war". Both of this wars are a consequence and as such not the most important thing in the picture, which is their self weakening and interior collapse in the "split within the house" event. The root of everything comes from that point where big ego's and characters that driven the Order ("NPpO",...missing that nice abbreviation, fun times that were) from its beginning, in the moment when they pulverized all opposition ("GW3") turned on each other. The root was there all the time, but focus on foreign enemy was always enough. Once the foreign enemy of all designs were eliminated, what was unavoidable happened. The story of all successful empires. After extended periods of progress and elimination of enemies, once they ran out, the heads to be turned on each other. Once that happened it was over. The rest of the story is largely irrelevant, all great empires always end themselves its all one needs to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallin Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 NATO vs. ALMEA of course Immortalized by coincidence on the old forums as it was the hot event right before it was shut down and dominates the first page of alliance politics (or whatever it was called back then). Actual answer: MK vs. NPO has to be the most entertaining and longest lasting rivalries, with brilliant minds on both sides. I remember ALMEA. Awful experiences with them. Thank God you took them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpcurley Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 vox vs. hegemony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashenkine Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Good Citizens of CN, I have read this thread and agree with many of the rivalries and arguments for them, but I am surprised by the absence of a rivalry that shaped so much of the early history of CN: The Legion vs. NPO. In my humble opinion, it was more important than the LUE/NPO rivalry becasue of the length of time it went on, the power blocs formed under their influence and the the major wars headed by each alliance. It did not end until Aegis was defeated and Zha'Dum was appointed to restructure The Legion into something more to the liking of NPO. Respectfully, Page Ashenkine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar833 Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I remember ALMEA. Awful experiences with them. Thank God you took them out. Ha i remember as well. Offspring alliance for a while IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Not the same you say...despite the same leadership clique calling the shots during and pre-Karma War Pacifica got to its position of dominance thanks to the leadership of strong leaders like Ivan and Dilber, not a clique of politicking IOs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocho Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Good Citizens of CN,I have read this thread and agree with many of the rivalries and arguments for them, but I am surprised by the absence of a rivalry that shaped so much of the early history of CN: The Legion vs. NPO. In my humble opinion, it was more important than the LUE/NPO rivalry becasue of the length of time it went on, the power blocs formed under their influence and the the major wars headed by each alliance. It did not end until Aegis was defeated and Zha'Dum was appointed to restructure The Legion into something more to the liking of NPO. Respectfully, Page Ashenkine Except NPO considered Legion their friends up to GWI, Legion sat on the fence and just watched in GWII and only jumped in to get the !@#$ kicked out of in GWIII. Where after The Legion had no trouble at all becoming NPO lap dogs. To call it a rivalry is such a stretch that calling it the best ever is just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 OG Vs :vipers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimos Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Greatest Rivalry = LUE vs NPO. Base from what I got from the NPO archives. Rivalry? = NPO vs NpO. I do not get this impression from the private NPO boards. I like NpO and I am not alone with that sentiment. Present/Future Great Rivalry = NPO vs MK. I respect MK, will be a good adversary for NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some-Guy Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 nobody mentioned TOP vs NpO yet?Probably wasnt the largest rivalry, but it was there. That was never really an alliance rivalry, it was more like TOP vs Electron Sponge. Good times, good villain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KainIIIC Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 If we were to accept that "friendly" rival definition rather than the nemesis definition... ODN recruiters vs. UPN recruiters, oranges vs. vines! clearly nothing like it ever since! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizka Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 Good Citizens of CN,I have read this thread and agree with many of the rivalries and arguments for them, but I am surprised by the absence of a rivalry that shaped so much of the early history of CN: The Legion vs. NPO. In my humble opinion, it was more important than the LUE/NPO rivalry becasue of the length of time it went on, the power blocs formed under their influence and the the major wars headed by each alliance. It did not end until Aegis was defeated and Zha'Dum was appointed to restructure The Legion into something more to the liking of NPO. Respectfully, Page Ashenkine Legion was never in a leadership position behind any of the anti-NPO blocs however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 NPO-LUE wins by miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halicore Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 How did I forget about TPF/Atlantis too. If Atlantis hadn't disbanded that rivalry could have really gotten interesting. From a personal point of view I would go for this. When you guys decided to disband Atlantis it was a very sad day indeed and it makes the rivalry not as good. We should have gone down swinging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 NPO, Legion thing was a matter of vendetta. Nothing else. We wanted to get back to them for GW 1. That was all. It was not a struggle for supremacy, Legion was not a contender. I don't know what would be the greatest CN rivalry for me. I enjoyed many various oppositions NPO had in its past, but either opponents were too petite to be called an actual rival or it wasn't really a rivalry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) That was never really an alliance rivalry, it was more like TOP vs Electron Sponge. That's why you rolled the alliance after he'd been effectively driven out, right? edit: grammar Edited January 8, 2010 by Elyat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustakrakish II Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 GGA vs. success. I like this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementual Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 GGA vs. success. Haw. Also, LUE/NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I enjoyed many various oppositions NPO had in its past, but either opponents were too petite to be called an actual rival or it wasn't really a rivalry. So petite they beat you in your last war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) The biggest by far was NPO V NpO. It lasted longer than anyone else and was an actual rivalry rather than being enemies until the very end. Edited January 8, 2010 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) double post. Edited January 8, 2010 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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