deth2munkies Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 You are trying to use your knowledge of the inner workings of alliances you were in to clear Rok, you cant comment on Roks inner workings unless you had spies there during your spy running days or were a member. x <----The point o <---- Your head |/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Yes, I'm pretty sure that option is and has always been open to them. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 He was a RoK member with top level advisory access at the time? They come in right about there, yeah. You are trying to use your knowledge of the inner workings of alliances you were in to clear Rok Thanks alterego, couldn't have put it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter26 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 And that would have accomplished what? They would then give them a different day to form a response?Read the evidence. NpO agrees. NSO agrees. He was deleted while at war. This is airtight. Oh, Hoo apologized. Was TPF given the chance to apologize? This is the best reply in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stupid Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 LOL. To get this straight for everyone who acts like advisor is something huge, it's a mask given to people who have contributed greatly to an alliance, past or present. They see the same thing as an ordinary member. Having said that, I've known Rish a very long time, and I consider him to be a great friend, I had no idea he was doing this, or that he did this. It makes me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourcy Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 so here i am about to leave my house for a good night out, and now sh** just got real. OH NO HERE COMES A BLITZ TONIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 We don't have anything called a "high gov advisor", CJ. Cool that you are making up titles for us though. [...] We don't have "top advisors" either. In fact, advisors aren't considered part of Ragnarok government. You are free to check our last government announcement to confirm that. So, does anyone want to change their arguments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzell Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 1) TOP & Co. discover an ex-RoK member had multis, possibly spied. Demand Hoo condemn the individual's actions and ban him from their community in order to make evident that he did not support his efforts.2) Hoo condemns the individual's actions and bans him from the RoK community, making evident that he did not support his efforts. 3) TOP decides that's not good enough. So am I reading you right? 1) Not possibly spied, he did in fact successfully infiltrate other alliances and enacted some sort of plan to bring them into war. 2) As I said, I'm glad Hoo apologized. 3) I don't speak for TOP. But given that Rok recently went to war with a CB approximately as strong as this case(arguably), I alluded to its alternative implications in order to create a contrast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 When did I say an advisor isn't responsible for his own actions? I said he doesn't hold a government position which is true.If you guys can prove he had a multi in an alliance during the time that he was still govt in RoK then that would probably be a CB. Actually they have a CB based on the information already. I fail to see how spying doesn't result in a CB. Shall we take a look at the declarations on TPF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Thanks alterego, couldn't have put it better myself. You and he arent the same person as far as I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiL3nT Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 What a way to bring in the new year then with a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 LOL. To get this straight for everyone who acts like advisor is something huge, it's a mask given to people who have contributed greatly to an alliance, past or present. They see the same thing as an ordinary member. Wait, wait. Are you saying you know more about your alliance than Doppelganger or Mussolandia?? I just don't believe you. That mask is shopped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 1) Not possibly spied, he did in fact successfully infiltrate other alliances and enacted some sort of plan to bring them into war.2) As I said, I'm glad Hoo apologized. 3) I don't speak for TOP. But given that Rok recently went to war with a CB approximately as strong as this case(arguably), I alluded to its alternative implications in order to create a contrast. 1. He wasn't in govt at the time. 2. Me too. 3. It is arguable, but this situation is still different as the spy wasn't a government member at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Stukov II Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If the multi nation was 1,200 days old doesn't that mean he was spying on another alliance while he was a Triumvir of RoK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Wait, wait. Are you saying you know more about your alliance than Doppelganger or Mussolandia?? I just don't believe you. That mask is shopped! God forbid we know something NSO doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Actually they have a CB based on the information already. I fail to see how spying doesn't result in a CB. Shall we take a look at the declarations on TPF? Spying on your own and spying with the consent of govt are 2 different things. By this OP's own admission he wasn't in govt during the spying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Spying on your own and spying with the consent of govt are 2 different things. By this OP's own admission he wasn't in govt during the spying. Considering spying involves information stealing and/or malicious intent, they might want to prove one or the other before they use that term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If the multi nation was 1,200 days old doesn't that mean he was spying on another alliance while he was a Triumvir of RoK? That's a possibility, but not a definite. If you had proof that he was then that's a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If the multi nation was 1,200 days old doesn't that mean he was spying on another alliance while he was a Triumvir of RoK? Man I love this. Can you prove that in any way? I mean by that logic, TOP's a bunch of spies too. I don't know who they spied on, but who cares!? They should apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 This shows a clear CB for NATO, we await their Declaration of War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasin Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 This is only a CB if you could be bothered to attack, like any other supposedly legitimate CB. While I can't speak for every other member in TOP, it's safe to say I would not support using this as a method to attack another alliance. That said, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtheistRepublican Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Spying on your own and spying with the consent of govt are 2 different things. By this OP's own admission he wasn't in govt during the spying. He did have the multi while he was gov, though. I want to know why and what he did with it, personally. Edited January 1, 2010 by AtheistRepublican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If the multi nation was 1,200 days old doesn't that mean he was spying on another alliance while he was a Triumvir of RoK? I never agree with this man, but he brings up an interesting question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) And that would have accomplished what? They would then give them a different day to form a response? Yeah. Since you hold this holiday in such high esteem that you won't declare war to waste time, why do something that will, well, waste time? We're already up the 11 pages. The TPF thread was around 90. Happy New Year to us. The reason isn't you care about time. If you're going to blitz, today is a bad idea as many of your nations won't be on at update (or near update). Not that I'm saying you're going to war, I'm just saying that the argument "we don't want to use up holiday time" isn't going to be sufficient. Edited January 1, 2010 by Earogema Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) We don't have anything called a "high gov advisor", CJ. Cool that you are making up titles for us though. I was just going off of what was posted in the OP earlier and responding Hoo. I guess I did get my wording wrong, the OP said 'Advisor to High Govt' and I said 'High Gov Advisor' so my apologies... Edited January 1, 2010 by chefjoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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