Jyrinx Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 1) During what time period (dates) was Rishnokof in position of Triumvir? 2) What alliances was his multi, President Magee, in during those times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke426 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No, it's you that suck and your alliance for not stopping you. Your alliance sucks generally anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me. I'll assume you realize how much that post just helped your position. Hoo has given the apology post a page or two back. There's no evidence right now he or anyone else knew. A multi got deleted. There isn't a lot else here it seems to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Doesn't this mean that RoK was conspiring to commit acts of espionage (since the multi was created to inflitrate other alliances)? Show me where it says the multi was made to specifically infiltrate other alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No, there's a big line between an advisor and an actual government member. To not acknowledge that is being disingenuous. Sorry, that's not true. That would give a lot of players a free-card to do whatever they want, because an advisor is apparently not responsible for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 No, it's you that suck and your alliance for not stopping you. Your alliance sucks generally anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me. Oh you're so cute. I'm sorry you need to compensate for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizzle Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wait, so Hoo apologized? Gosh, I wonder what would have happened if they went to TPF about their "spy" mission before going to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 A government adviser is basically an old member who people don't want to bump back down to the lowest rank. It is not some mythical position, and they do not have any power to declare war or such. One member acting alone. Actually it can be different for each alliance. In my alliance, for example, the Jedi Advisors act as the second-in-command to the Grandmaster. In the NPO, the Counselors do nothing except occasionally talk about "the history hiterto" and obsolete ideologies. In Polar, Fallen_Fail lol. I mean, this is just bloody weak. There's nothing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sorry, that's not true. That would give a lot of players a free-card to do whatever they want, because an advisor is apparently not responsible for his actions. Er, the adviser is indeed responsible. Hence the condemnation from RoK and being deleted and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wait, so Hoo apologized?Gosh, I wonder what would have happened if they went to TPF about their "spy" mission before going to war. Probably the same result, Nizzle, in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You know, I feel the need to comment not only on this current (already) !@#$show of a thread, but on every thread about this conflict:Everyone that got rolled in the last war is currently trying to take a play out of the old playbook and do what everyone did back then: instigate moral outrage. The problem is that you people (Alterego et. al.) are extremely bad at it. You latch on to one facet then twist and warp in some sort of sadistic glee of misinformation then turn it into some huge deal that it really isn't and I'm getting quite sick of it. Let's apply that to this thread: The actual evidence shows that there were multis: Rish, a member of RoK, and Magee, a member of NATO. No evidence of information leaking, no evidence of RoK instigating it with malicious intent, no evidence anyone in RoK knew anything and both nations have since been deleted. There's nothing to discuss, there's no leg to stand on for any sort of demand, there's no reason this should even be a thread at all other than some sort of grandstand by one side and a smear campaign against RoK. I am no fan at all of RoK but this is getting ridiculous. Great point on the moral outrage angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Show me where it says the multi was made to specifically infiltrate other alliances. He infiltrated the New Sith Order with the multi. Edited December 31, 2009 by Corinan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sorry, that's not true. That would give a lot of players a free-card to do whatever they want, because an advisor is apparently not responsible for his actions. When did I say an advisor isn't responsible for his own actions? I said he doesn't hold a government position which is true. If you guys can prove he had a multi in an alliance during the time that he was still govt in RoK then that would probably be a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'm glad Hoo apologizes for the spying activities conducted by one of his members. That said member was a former Rok gov and then an advisor makes this ordeal even more unfortunate, if not somewhat suspicious. Also, I heard something about a St. Patrick's day war 1) TOP & Co. discover an ex-RoK member had multis, possibly spied. Demand Hoo condemn the individual's actions and ban him from their community in order to make evident that he did not support his efforts. 2) Hoo condemns the individual's actions and bans him from the RoK community, making evident that he did not support his efforts. 3) TOP decides that's not good enough. So am I reading you right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You know, I feel the need to comment not only on this current (already) !@#$show of a thread, but on every thread about this conflict:Everyone that got rolled in the last war is currently trying to take a play out of the old playbook and do what everyone did back then: instigate moral outrage. The problem is that you people (Alterego et. al.) are extremely bad at it. You latch on to one facet then twist and warp in some sort of sadistic glee of misinformation then turn it into some huge deal that it really isn't and I'm getting quite sick of it. Let's apply that to this thread: The actual evidence shows that there were multis: Rish, a member of RoK, and Magee, a member of NATO. No evidence of information leaking, no evidence of RoK instigating it with malicious intent, no evidence anyone in RoK knew anything and both nations have since been deleted. There's nothing to discuss, there's no leg to stand on for any sort of demand, there's no reason this should even be a thread at all other than some sort of grandstand by one side and a smear campaign against RoK. I am no fan at all of RoK but this is getting ridiculous. Add to that Hoo's apology and explanation of what he knew about it and the usual characters saying the usual things and it all adds up to one big dump-truck full of suck. Seriously, what a failtastic way to ring in the new year boys. I expected better. I have no idea why I did, but I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Obama Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 He infiltrated the New Sith Order with the multi. And then attempted to instigate conflict between the New Sith Order and TOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Show me where it says the multi was made to specifically infiltrate other alliances. I think the fact that the multi did infiltrate (or attempted to infiltrate) other alliances more than shows that the multi was designed to infiltrate other alliances. However, as the current goverment was not aware of his actions, I don't think that it is fair to call them hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Actually it can be different for each alliance. In my alliance, for example, the Jedi Advisors act as the second-in-command to the Grandmaster. In the NPO, the Counselors do nothing except occasionally talk about "the history hiterto" and obsolete ideologies. In Polar, Fallen_Fail lol.I mean, this is just bloody weak. There's nothing here. Rok arent the Jedi order or NPO and defending today what you vilified yesterday is pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 He infiltrated the New Sith Order with the multi. Stuff like that, I have a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 He infiltrated the New Sith Order with the multi. Doesn't mean it was made to do it. From what I saw he did it at the end of his CN career. There is no proof he made the nation just to spy on other people. And if ghosting is now considered infiltrating, then most every alliance in CN has been infiltrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genius15 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 it seems the !@#$ has hit the fan. how do i keep something like this from happening to my alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fingolfin Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You know, when Shahenshah came to me to determine rishnokof's IP on the Legion forums, I should have waited a few years to respond to his query. Shame on me for responding so promptly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 And then attempted to instigate conflict between the New Sith Order and TOP. So where does Ragnarok come into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 To have posted this thread. And that would have accomplished what? They would then give them a different day to form a response? Hmm. What odd timing. I have a decent bit of difficulty believing that a spy was just oh so suddenly uncovered at such an opportune time. Read the evidence. NpO agrees. NSO agrees. He was deleted while at war. This is airtight. Oh, Hoo apologized. Was TPF given the chance to apologize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 1) TOP & Co. discover an ex-RoK member had multis, possibly spied. Demand Hoo condemn the individual's actions and ban him from their community in order to make evident that he did not support his efforts.2) Hoo condemns the individual's actions and bans him from the RoK community, making evident that he did not support his efforts. 3) TOP decides that's not good enough. So am I reading you right? No you're not. #2 didn't happen. Rish voluntarily left RoK a month after his nefarious activities. He was never kicked out of RoK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Doesn't mean it was made to do it. From what I saw he did it at the end of his CN career. There is no proof he made the nation just to spy on other people. And if ghosting is now considered infiltrating, then most every alliance in CN has been infiltrated. You tell me. Why would someone make a "multi" and alliance hop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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