Corinan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So what alliance was President Magee in when Rish was in gov? Cause whatever alliance that was, they have a CB in 6 months time. I suggest you all look in your past to see if President Magee was ever a member of your alliance. President Magee was ghosting the NSO AA at the time Rish was a top level adviser to Hoo in RoK. He also sent out recruitment PMs to TOP in an apparent attempt to start a conflict between out two alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Virus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Well this announcement will entertain me well past the new year. *Mind Virus lurks It's not as interesting as it seems. Rishnokof left Ragnarok on December 25th and posted this message in our IA section: We had no idea what his goals or motives were nor did we hold any sort of affiliation with his new project. We in fact had little to no contact with rishnokof other than an occassional visit to our public IRC channel. When we went to war, rishnokof returned to our AA citing that fighting in a war would cure his boredom. Since rishnokof left us in good standing, we found that acceptable. Rishnokof then had his nation deleted and he advised us that it was due to too many [OOC]forum warns[OOC]. We had no reason to think otherwise. With this new information coming to light, rishnokof is no longer welcome at Ragnarok. We at Ragnarok are actually pretty shocked that a long time member would do such a thing. When he said he was bored and wanted to do something, we assumed he was just going to go rogue on someone he didn't like as that seems to be the trend these days. We do not condone spying nor have we ever spied on another alliance or been aware of ongoing spy operations against anyone. rishnokof never made us aware of his operation and he certainly never shared any information with us. Had rishnokof still been a member of Ragnarok (and still had a nation) he would have been removed for such an act immediately as per RoK protocol. Despite the current conflict, IRON, NATO, NSO, TOP and anyone else we are not currently aware of have my sincerest apologies that this occured. You will probably have to make your own topic for it to be actually read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Only if you are an advisor.Reading. It helps. Perhaps you should look up the words "imply" and "infer". It may help your verbatim. Dictionary. It helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Only if you are an advisor.Reading. It helps. So once again. What exactly does an advisor at Rok do? And what are their powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Rishnokof was not even a current RoK nation either. 33 days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefjoe Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So wait, you have this smoking gun and you do nothing with it? Grow some balls and do something about it, Christ. Ah yes, the ol becuase we think were strong it makes our actions ok defense....brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 And your argument was disingenuous as it ignored the influence and access he did have in exchange for tunnel-visioning in on one meaningless little factoid. No, there's a big line between an advisor and an actual government member. To not acknowledge that is being disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Wait a day for what? To have posted this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So if I spied on someone, that means CSN government immediately did it? Sir, your logic sucks. No, it's you that suck and your alliance for not stopping you. Your alliance sucks generally anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 They can prove, and have proved, that a top level advisor and former triumvir of Ragnarok had membership access or attempted to have membership access in at least three different alliances while being in Ragnarok.edit - also the whole "instigating a fight between NSO and TOP" thing Right. Which does not prove that his status as an Advisor gave him any kind of enhanced access, it does not prove that he was passing information, it does not prove that those ACTUALLY in leadership were involved. All that's being proven is just how desperate for PR some people are getting. Shoulda hired me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I find myself agreeing a lot more with Doitzel lately... Advisor =/= government Hoo condemns the action What more do you want? Might as well just DoW so we can have a war, if you're not going to then keep this to yourselves next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Cousteau Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 All I can say is that Wolfpack was dogpiled for much less that that during the Puppy War. In fact, that CB was cooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtheistRepublican Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is there any evidence that suggests that he had a multi while he was in gov? If you see the screenshots that Bill N Ted posted, President Magee had a 1200+ day old nation before he deleted. So yes, Rishnokof had a multi while he was Trium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So if I spied on someone, that means CSN government immediately did it? You don't know how often that happens. You're a MoFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMMELHSQ Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I was portraying how Mussolandia's argument that Rishnokof's actions spoke for RoK because he WAS a Trium as equivalent to saying that Khyber's, as former TOP leader, actions spoke for TOP.Rishnokof was not even a current RoK nation either. oh Yes he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmom Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I find this quite funny after the recent turn of events. Don't forget to mark May/June off on your calendars people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deth2munkies Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You know, I feel the need to comment not only on this current (already) !@#$show of a thread, but on every thread about this conflict: Everyone that got rolled in the last war is currently trying to take a play out of the old playbook and do what everyone did back then: instigate moral outrage. The problem is that you people (Alterego et. al.) are extremely bad at it. You latch on to one facet then twist and warp in some sort of sadistic glee of misinformation then turn it into some huge deal that it really isn't and I'm getting quite sick of it. Let's apply that to this thread: The actual evidence shows that there were multis: Rish, a member of RoK, and Magee, a member of NATO. No evidence of information leaking, no evidence of RoK instigating it with malicious intent, no evidence anyone in RoK knew anything and both nations have since been deleted. There's nothing to discuss, there's no leg to stand on for any sort of demand, there's no reason this should even be a thread at all other than some sort of grandstand by one side and a smear campaign against RoK. I am no fan at all of RoK but this is getting ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatmagnus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 A government adviser is basically an old member who people don't want to bump back down to the lowest rank. It is not some mythical position, and they do not have any power to declare war or such. One member acting alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulomascovia Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 If you see the screenshots that Bill N Ted posted, President Magee had a 1200+ day old nation before he deleted. So yes, Rishnokof had a multi while he was Trium. Doesn't this mean that RoK was conspiring to commit acts of espionage (since the multi was created to inflitrate other alliances)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurion Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hoo I love you man, but you should make a new thread. No one's gonna read your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayzell Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) I'm glad Hoo apologizes for the spying activities conducted by one of his members. That said member was a former Rok gov and then an advisor makes this ordeal even more unfortunate, if not somewhat suspicious. Also, I heard something about a St. Patrick's day war Edited December 31, 2009 by Hayzell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ah yes, the ol becuase we think were strong it makes our actions ok defense....brilliant! Please point to me where CSN ever declared war? Make my day. I don't condone what Athens or Ragnarok did. I never did. Nice try though, that's always a cute argument. They made a grand stand announcement about how this is such an awful thing, and they argue they are playing the "bigger man"? It is just laughable. I WANT A DRUNKEN NEW YEARS WAR! Other than that, I could really care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Eddy Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hmm. What odd timing. I have a decent bit of difficulty believing that a spy was just oh so suddenly uncovered at such an opportune time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You don't know how often that happens. You're a MoFA. Unfortunately I am not... perhaps I should update my title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorbolt Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) oh Yes he was. Well, guess I missed that then. I was under the impression he quit active play a long time ago... Edited December 31, 2009 by Scorbolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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