Tabloid Tribune #152 | Now Externally Focused!

[Earogema]

Great issue, I dare to say, the best one yet! (maybe the halloween one was equal to it though )

I agree.

Well done.

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Never thought I'd see that

EDIT:

I'm sure the 14.5k NS nation was covered relatively easily, and the 2.6k NS nation could be covered with a bit of work. How many alliances though have active members with nations in the 150-600 NS range capable and reliable enough to wage war? I'm thinking very few, if at all any, whether protecting the NPO or not. It's safe to say then that this is probably why the recent Praetorian Guard audit only found 18 of 100 non-ghost members that were raided being defended.

Actually, NPO has nations in lower levels that are active and that pick off nations at lower levels attacking them. I dealt with them many times during the Vox days. Course, you don't allow them to defend themselves, so yeah.

Edited November 23, 2009 by Earogema

[delgursh]

these are always funny lol

[SirWilliam]

EDIT:

Actually, NPO has nations in lower levels that are active and that pick off nations at lower levels attacking them. I dealt with them many times during the Vox days. Course, you don't allow them to defend themselves, so yeah.

"You don't"? MK has nothing to do with the NPO's terms or their enforcement.

That said, and this is an assumption, albeit an educated one, on my part, but I doubt the NPO's lowest ranks are active, capable, or reliable enough to adequately defend those being raided either. Granted it was a few years ago, and things may certainly have changed since then, but when I was an NPO Lieutenant in command of Alpha Battalion (0-500 NS, at least at the time, if I recall correctly) it was very difficult to get much of anything done militarily. In terms of rogues and in the NPO's conflict with FARK (granted FARK was at the time very bottom-heavy), I generally had to spam my entire battalion's inboxes to get much of anything done, and even then it would be sporadic and minimal.

If those protecting the NPO aren't able to protect the latter's very lowest ranks, and the NPO is somehow able and willing to do so, I personally see no problem with the NPO defending its own lowest ranks. But I have no say over the terms others agreed to and are enforcing. Ultimately it's something that the NPO would have to, and probably ought to, work out with their protectors.

edit: typo

Edited November 23, 2009 by SirWilliam

[Schattenmann]

Are we FAN in that? Where is Karma knocking on anyone's door about terms violations? NPO is the one complaining here. There's quite a big difference between, "you should communicate better if you want us to take care of your problem instead of complaining on the owf" and "you should communicate better or we'll roll you... again." Azaghul is just giving them pointers on how to get their problem solved.

Read the quote I replied to, derp:

Have a team of people talking to people on IRC and PMing them. Post on the forum to see how many are checking it, some may lurk and just not post.

You guys broke NPO, now you get to fix it. That's what winning entails. You didn't disband NPO when you had the chance, now you've inherently taken responsibility for them for the duration of terms. If none of you were going to use a forum, then why set it up? If no one pays attention to the forum, why would anyone expect a better response from IRC communication?

Enforcement of the terms is the enforcers' responsibility, not the surrendered alliance's.

When Karma redeclares on Pacifica, we'll examine this comparison more seriously.

Exactly.

VE's snobby, smart!@#$ attitude in this thread is the exact way to get to that point. "We have our own stuff to deal with without having to check NPO's." So, pull out of the terms enforcement force--oh wait, then they wouldn't get their reward money for flipping on NPO after licking NPO's gooch for two years. Strangely, VE is too busy to give their PoWs full attention, but has time to get in the middle of OV's internal troubles.

[Schattenmann]

Never thought I'd see that

Never thought we'd get to that point.

[TypoNinja]

Exactly.

VE's snobby, smart!@#$ attitude in this thread is the exact way to get to that point. "We have our own stuff to deal with without having to check NPO's." So, pull out of the terms enforcement force--oh wait, then they wouldn't get their reward money for flipping on NPO after licking NPO's gooch for two years. Strangely, VE is too busy to give their PoWs full attention, but has time to get in the middle of OV's internal troubles.

Yes, we are quite busy, fortunately we have a motivated and interested party capable of tracking rouge attacks on the NPO and informing us they need attention. They can even double check against a member list and sort out ghosts easily. Guess who they are?

Wait for it.... The NPO.

Edited November 23, 2009 by TypoNinja

[Goldie]

Exactly.

VE's snobby, smart!@#$ attitude in this thread is the exact way to get to that point. "We have our own stuff to deal with without having to check NPO's." So, pull out of the terms enforcement force--oh wait, then they wouldn't get their reward money for flipping on NPO after licking NPO's gooch for two years. Strangely, VE is too busy to give their PoWs full attention, but has time to get in the middle of OV's internal troubles.

oh cmon now schatt. this is a two way street here. NPO gives us targets sporadically, and we deal with more than our share of them. our government has talked to cortath about this, and we have accepted that yes, improved coordination will be helpful in ensuring the proper protection of NPO, and that yes, Arm_Red's new title should be Protector of Pacifica.

i believe there was some discussion not that long ago about allowing NPO members who were attacked to militarize themselves for the duration of the conflict. i cant remember the specifics of the conversation off the top of my head but perhaps it would be time to revisit that for the nations in the low NS ranges whom we cant organize protection for.

[forsberg1785]

I smell schatt.

[Schattenmann]

oh cmon now schatt. this is a two way street here. NPO gives us targets sporadically, and we deal with more than our share of them. our government has talked to cortath about this, and we have accepted that yes, improved coordination will be helpful in ensuring the proper protection of NPO, and that yes, Arm_Red's new title should be Protector of Pacifica.

i believe there was some discussion not that long ago about allowing NPO members who were attacked to militarize themselves for the duration of the conflict. i cant remember the specifics of the conversation off the top of my head but perhaps it would be time to revisit that for the nations in the low NS ranges whom we cant organize protection for.

And that's good news. If the public thread has incited private discussions, then I'm glad.

[flak attack]

Is that what we all said when NPO came knocking at FAN's door for terms violations? "FAN should've been better communicators?" It's not how I responded, because that's crap. Karma continually forces me to look like some hypocritical seen-the-light NPO sympathizer by doing the same !@#$ I went nuts about two years ago and it pisses me off to no end.

Communication is key to any business relationship. Obviously NPO has a problem with how Karma is handling their protection. Karma says they are doing the best they can with what NPO is giving them. It sounds to me like the best solution to the problem is for the two groups to sit down and come up with a standard policy for taking care of the attacks on them.

Since you already have a forum, I would suggest all attacks be reported in one thread and a representative from each Karma alliance subscribe to it. NPO posts a report and all of the Karma alliances know about it within a day.

[Goldie]

And that's good news. If the public thread has incited private discussions, then I'm glad.

unfortunate it came to this though. i applied for an embassy on their boards on september 10th, one of the benefits of which would be direct coordination over reparations/protection, and was ignored. several members of NPO have access to the traditional boards where reps/protection is discussed. not only that, but i am regularly active on IRC. why this had to be aired out here is disappointing, as it shows perhaps Pacificans feel that they have no other way of communicating with the government of some 'karma' alliances than through owf announcements. my IRC window is always open if you would like more direct responses in the future, but seeing as the Protector of Pacifica has been exonerated by these ludicrous charges, and that i have already had discussions with NPO leaders over how to improve our protection, i consider my involvement here done.

[Branimir]

the Protector of Pacifica

Good one.

Interesting edition, strong line up,...except for Raga of course

[Earogema]

"You don't"? MK has nothing to do with the NPO's terms or their enforcement.

That said, and this is an assumption, albeit an educated one, on my part, but I doubt the NPO's lowest ranks are active, capable, or reliable enough to adequately defend those being raided either. Granted it was a few years ago, and things may certainly have changed since then, but when I was an NPO Lieutenant in command of Alpha Battalion (0-500 NS, at least at the time, if I recall correctly) it was very difficult to get much of anything done militarily. In terms of rogues and in the NPO's conflict with FARK (granted FARK was at the time very bottom-heavy), I generally had to spam my entire battalion's inboxes to get much of anything done, and even then it would be sporadic and minimal.

If those protecting the NPO aren't able to protect the latter's very lowest ranks, and the NPO is somehow able and willing to do so, I personally see no problem with the NPO defending its own lowest ranks. But I have no say over the terms others agreed to and are enforcing. Ultimately it's something that the NPO would have to, and probably ought to, work out with their protectors.

edit: typo

Fair enough.

[Sequoia Throne]

unfortunate it came to this though. i applied for an embassy on their boards on september 10th, one of the benefits of which would be direct coordination over reparations/protection, and was ignored. several members of NPO have access to the traditional boards where reps/protection is discussed. not only that, but i am regularly active on IRC. why this had to be aired out here is disappointing, as it shows perhaps Pacificans feel that they have no other way of communicating with the government of some 'karma' alliances than through owf announcements. my IRC window is always open if you would like more direct responses in the future, but seeing as the Protector of Pacifica has been exonerated by these ludicrous charges, and that i have already had discussions with NPO leaders over how to improve our protection, i consider my involvement here done.

Sounds like it got lost along the way, it happens. We have plenty of gov active at all hours on IRC, all it takes is a bit of nudging on #nsa and you'll usually get what you want. I'm not sure why you think we should come to your IRC in order for you to open an embassy with us, but that's not how it works. Honestly, I've heard plenty of stories from fellow Pacificans about how much of a hassle it is to contact representatives from all Karma alliances when they need something done, so it goes both ways (except we have 18 reps to contact, you have 1).

Edit:

Bravo Sir Paul & Friends (even Raga, good work and thanks for contributing!)! Great edition and hooray for the new external emphasis!

o/ Pacifican Media!

Edited November 23, 2009 by Straylight

[Schattenmann]

If you don't both start talking to each other I'm going to spank both of you.

[James I]

Is this chart for real:

If so then lol@Sparta

..for not asking for reps?

[jerdge]

I was able to read almost everything through pages 1-4, but then I had to give up. The OP is entertaining, but the remaining is just a lot of deja-vu.

The Pacificans were the "specialists" of Protracted Terms of Surrender, and they may deserve to get some of the same medicine in return, but this stuff is just an annoyance for everybody else... I hope that it's the last time we see it, really.

We badly need a White Peace Movement.

[Litha Riddle]

If you don't both start talking to each other I'm going to spank both of you.

Now thats what I call an incentive

Once again some stellar work from media, not to mention another awesome song

[Brenann]

If you don't both start talking to each other I'm going to spank both of you.

Where do we line up for this?

I like the outside authors on this, I look forward to that continuing.

[Elendil old]

Am I the only one smiling at people taking a tabloid seriously?

[Ionait]

Upon reading The headlining tabloid of this thread I have made a couple obvious deductions.

1. You have effectivly proven that this NPO has ineffective leadership and is incapable of handling even tiny problems.

2. That you only bother to gather one side of the facts. (I suppose, that is why this work of half-truths and fiction is a tabloid.)

3. This article shows that the NPO cannot even do something as simple as make and update report.

Based on this article, I have been shown that though NPO was allowed to keep some dignity and not be dissolved after this Karma war that they are petty, spiteful, and unappreciative.

I would think an alliance as apparently esteemed as the NPO could handle their problems in a more professional manner. (Perhaps they could finally allow the other parties representative to join their forum?)

Your use of fancy words and the layout of this article is nice. However, in the future I would like to all sides of the story. This unbiased approach could make me an avid reader.

[Brenann]

Your use of fancy words and the layout of this article is nice. However, in the future I would like to all sides of the story. This unbiased approach could make me an avid reader.

Unbiased on our fair planet? Not nearly as fun as what we have now.

[Kzoppistan]

Upon reading The headlining tabloid of this thread I have made a couple obvious deductions.

1. You have effectivly proven that this NPO has ineffective leadership and is incapable of handling even tiny problems.

2. That you only bother to gather one side of the facts. (I suppose, that is why this work of half-truths and fiction is a tabloid.)

3. This article shows that the NPO cannot even do something as simple as make and update report.

Based on this article, I have been shown that though NPO was allowed to keep some dignity and not be dissolved after this Karma war that they are petty, spiteful, and unappreciative.

I would think an alliance as apparently esteemed as the NPO could handle their problems in a more professional manner. (Perhaps they could finally allow the other parties representative to join their forum?)

Your use of fancy words and the layout of this article is nice. However, in the future I would like to all sides of the story. This unbiased approach could make me an avid reader.

Hating NPO is so passé.

Edited November 24, 2009 by Kzoppistan

[rishnokof]

..for not asking for reps?

I believe he was referencing the amount of wars compared to the size of the alliance?

[Mixoux]

Glad to see our rep efficiency so high.