lebubu Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I have faith in ODN, congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 The standards for treaty articles have really gone downhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 And by this time you've already bailed on each of your allies except for the ones on the winning side. I'd be careful about signing these treaties ODN. Now you can't choose the winning side Honestly I've forgotten what you do, otherwise I would make some sort of witty reply. I assume it has something to do with making gross generalizations and begging for attention. But wait! Let's take a closer look at what you said. "And by this time you've already bailed on each of your allies except for the ones on the winning side." So you are accusing us of being opportunists. I disagree. I can think of a time or two we got pretty banged up because we were on the losing side. Citrus War and GWIII come to mind. But whatever. Let's pretend your simplistic and incorrect view is right. "I'd be careful about signing these treaties ODN. Now you can't choose the winning side" Aha! We've got the ODN now. Those suckers couldn't choose the winning side if they wanted to. Oh, wait. So you are both accusing the ODN of being opportunist and of not being opportunist. I must admit, the hypocrisy is stunning. Most people at least break it up in to multiple posts, typically posted at different times. This serves to mask their otherwise blatant lack of principle. But you sir have taken it to the next level; you quite literally make yourself a fool. Just man up and say you don't like us. It's already clear you don't have any sort of reason or justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerontech Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 The standards for treaty articles have really gone downhill aye. Somewhere right now, mpoll is having a seizure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacapo Saladin Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) And by this time you've already bailed on each of your allies except for the ones on the winning side. I'd be careful about signing these treaties ODN. Now it's gonna be harder to choose the winning side Right. Would you like to look at TOPs leadup to the karma war, and its participation in it? Edited November 15, 2009 by Jacapo Saladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fingolfin Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Right. Would you like to look at TOPs leadup to the karma war, and its participation in it? In TOPs defense, they had one of their allies attack in the middle of peace negotiations they were mediating. They justifiably felt betrayed and dragged into a conflict that they wanted no part of and had been working to prevent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believland Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Right. Would you like to look at TOPs leadup to the karma war, and its participation in it? Only if it tickles your fancy In TOPs defense, they had one of their allies attack in the middle of peace negotiations they were mediating. They justifiably felt betrayed and dragged into a conflict that they wanted no part of and had been working to prevent This man is wise. Also, it's not like this is a one time thing. This has been on multiple occasions. Merlin if you feel like I'm making a generalization, I am. Also I was in the middle of some Modern Warfare tactics, so sorry my message got a bit scrambled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 As the foremost authority on ODN bashing (perhaps second to Bill N Ted, but he's really the only competition), I can honestly say you people are picking the wrong battle. The "it's optional anyway" joke has already been made, there's not much else to say. Even if in the future they hold another treaty above this one, it's an ODAP. The treaty hierarchy exists for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Shockingly enough I'm surprised that MK is one of the few alliances that are willing to accept that some alliances may change over time and be willing to give them another chance. I suppose a few people can't pass up a simple one liner against ODN in an attempt to seem partially intelligent. Congratulations ODN and Athens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I love it. This treaty pleases me greatly. Getting to know the ODN the past few weeks has been a pleasure and I know our friendship will continue to grow over the next few weeks and months. The ODN is changing and I am liking what I am seeing. o/ODN o/Athens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Also, it's not like this is a one time thing. This has been on multiple occasions. Under a different government and while they were sifting through political goals. They were put in the same situation as TOP: sick with some of their allies' actions and trying to straighten everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylar Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Under a different government and while they were sifting through political goals. They were put in the same situation as TOP: sick with some of their allies' actions and trying to straighten everything out. whats that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15pilotX Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) Grats on the treaty ya'll. Also, I like the image, looks nice. We are immoral too. Perfect matches. Also, to those saying that this annoucement is bad timed, what you wanted us to do? To hide a treaty that we've been working for weeks and was effective since yesterday just because some people decided to go on a false moralist crusade against Athens? C'mon people. The timing of the tech raids makes it look like it, to a point. Edited November 15, 2009 by F15pilotX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 whats that mean? Figuring out who they wanted to stay friends with. They were too late to get out cancellations before the sides of the war were drawn up, so they had to pick and choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I've never seen the democratic ODN sign a treaty so shortly written. Nor have I. Been here too long I guess (old fart and such). Good luck working with athens. I'm sure you'll need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisa Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Happy treatification, ODN and Athens, and may you have fun! (I highly approve of this treaty's lack of legal mumbojumbo, if only more could write them like this.) That's why it was much more exciting in the earlier days of Bob, you pick a side of the web and stick with them. Well unless you happened to be GGA of course (oh god how long ago was GW2 again?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Nor have I. Been here too long I guess (old fart and such). Good luck working with athens. I'm sure you'll need it. Why would you need to wish them luck? We are already working nicely together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird of Passage Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 The Bird looked skeptical. Optional...why...? He shook his head as he looked away. May this be corrected soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Arsenal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dujek Onearm Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 well i'll give you one thing. At least no one can say you betrayed Athens when you inevitably don't come to their defense if they should end up on the losing end of a conflict in the near future. Its actually a brilliant strategy by the ODN FA team, kudos! I mean i knew you guys were :jokingly" calling yourselves the optional defense network, but making your treaties optional is a whole new level of phail. I begin to understand why every alliance you start is a complete failure. If you cannot grasp the meaning of signing treaties like this as stepping stones to greater things, you are really not qualified to be a good leader. But hey, if you are happy, keep doing what you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserwolf Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Regardless of everyone's speculation to timing - I remember how long it took us and ODN to write our treaties so I understand the statements about how long this took, this is still good to see. This is only a first step I'm sure. Heck GATO and ODN started with a PIAT and then upgraded so I'm sure it'll be a matter of time with Athens and ODN. Who knows they may take even longer this time just because..... Congrats ODN and Athens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Congrats to our allies Athens and ODN in signing this pact. GATO wubs you both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 As the foremost authority on ODN bashing (perhaps second to Bill N Ted, but he's really the only competition), I can honestly say you people are picking the wrong battle. The "it's optional anyway" joke has already been made, there's not much else to say. Even if in the future they hold another treaty above this one, it's an ODAP. The treaty hierarchy exists for a reason. I agree (if I understand you right anyway). It just makes people look silly when they post the "loloptional" nowadays, especially when it's so easy to bash ODN without ever bringing it up. Don't bash them for what they were, bash them for what they've become! Silly people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Look at the rest of ODN's treaties if you really think this one is meaningless. They are taking a clear direction in FA and you would have to be blind not to see that. ODN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Congrats, I suppose... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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