Ragashingo Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I believe most of Karma would have just as big an issue with a NPO led by myself as they have with the current leadership. A great many of the main players there continue to talk about past grievances that I played a part in. If you ran the NPO like you are running the NSO then I'd have no problem with it. I'd hope everyone agrees with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) If they have a memory they would, yes. The hegemony was created while you were still a major player in NPO. While that is true, not everyone found the Hegemony objectionable in and of itself. Speaking for myself I would keep an open mind. I had a lot of interaction with the NPO while Ivan was running it and I liked them, a lot. Never had a problem with them. Hegemonists? Sure. But whether it was real or only a clever ruse, they seemed a reasonably benevolent and honourable hegemony at the time. Reasonable people that could be dealt with. Later, when I had to deal with them under Moo, however, none of that was true. There was neither the reality nor the facade of benevolence, or honour. Just brute force, sadism, and arrogance. Now maybe the change didnt coincide with Moos ascension. I was kind of tuned out for a bit between the two periods. Maybe the old NPO just *pretended* to be decent folk because they didnt feel secure enough. Maybe the later, arrogant NPO was their real face all along. But for me that's just speculation, what I know is I never had a problem with them earlier. So I would be more than willing to give it a chance. Not likely to happen, though. Edited June 19, 2009 by Sigrun Vapneir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 If they have a memory they would, yes. The hegemony was created while you were still a major player in NPO.I think you're seriously overestimating the amount of influence Ivan had in shaping the policies of the post-August 2007 NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derka Derek Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I don't see mpol on that list. Voted Londo because he's a boss. Edited June 19, 2009 by Derka Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I say Pingu, he is level headed and not overly cruel...not to mention a snappy dresser, a viceroy should always look impeccable Also, the ODN had to make an oath to me, not to the NPO. Indeed, i swore an oath to Ivan not the Order back in the day. Edited June 19, 2009 by Cataduanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James IV Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 The Blitz for the lulz. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykep Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Only Fransjosef has a right to NPO viceory, anyone else is not amusing enough. I hope he comes back in full force someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think you're seriously overestimating the amount of influence Ivan had in shaping the policies of the post-August 2007 NPO. That is an understatement, to say the least. After I was couped I had zero influence in the Order. I was eventually allowed back into the alliance but was inactive for the most part and any plans or ideas I had to redirect the culture of the Order (PCIA) were blocked or demonized by some of the then IOs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 If you ran the NPO like you are running the NSO then I'd have no problem with it. I'd hope everyone agrees with me. Personally I'd prefer he use his ONOS approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Who better to oppress NPO than the worst oppressors in history: the NPO. I nominate hawk_11. Accept no substitutes for the real thing, my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Wings Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Who better to oppress NPO than the worst oppressors in history: the NPO.I nominate hawk_11. Accept no substitutes for the real thing, my friends. Throwing my support behind this suggestion. Seriously, nobody knows how to be a bunch of oppressive rat-!@#$%^&* like the Pacifican IOs. Giving the job to anyone else is only going to produce shoddy worksmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinousOne Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Throwing my support behind this suggestion. Seriously, nobody knows how to be a bunch of oppressive rat-!@#$%^&* like the Pacifican IOs. Giving the job to anyone else is only going to produce shoddy worksmanship. Hawk is so good at it that he made you think he is an IO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Wings Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Hawk is so good at it that he made you think he is an IO. Pretty much, yeah. EDIT: Actually, I just asked hawk. Turns out he is an IO. Apparently all that hard work oppressing the little guy finally paid off. Edited June 19, 2009 by Ebony Wings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk11 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Hawk is so good at it that he made you think he is an IO. I am an IO! Edited June 19, 2009 by hawk_11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormsend Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I am an IO! I believe him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I think you're seriously overestimating the amount of influence Ivan had in shaping the policies of the post-August 2007 NPO. No, I'm thinking of GW2-3, and in particular his infamous call-out of Legion to pull them into the meatgrinder in GW3, as well as the manipulative politics of the end of the cold war to set NPO up as the sole major power (later spoilt by GOONS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Moldavi Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 No, I'm thinking of GW2-3, and in particular his infamous call-out of Legion to pull them into the meatgrinder in GW3, as well as the manipulative politics of the end of the cold war to set NPO up as the sole major power (later spoilt by GOONS). Yeah but all that stuff was just part of the fun, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Ivan is more the black hat of CN's Wild West period than the dictator of a global totalitarian regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Ivan is more the black hat of CN's Wild West period than the dictator of a global totalitarian regime. That's the way I see it. I don't forgive him for tying all of those damsels to the train tracks, but I don't think he's nearly as bad as a certain Emperor I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harris2004 Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I votedArchon and Electron Sponge because thye were the biggest conspirers in this war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I am an IO! No, you are a VE spy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I votedArchon and Electron Sponge because thye were the biggest conspirers in this war I really didn't have much to do with this war starting except reporting on what was going on behind the scenes. If telling the truth is a conspiracy then we've fallen a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 No, I'm thinking of GW2-3, and in particular his infamous call-out of Legion to pull them into the meatgrinder in GW3, as well as the manipulative politics of the end of the cold war to set NPO up as the sole major power (later spoilt by GOONS).It could be argued that Ivan helped build and preserve the Initiatives hegemony, but it could also be argued that he helped engineer it's destruction after it became clear what it was doing to the Cyberverse, and the NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Yeah but all that stuff was just part of the fun, right? OOC: sure IC: Baiting alliances into a losing war is not something which would be looked for in a viceroy of the NPO in any sane scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancellor Bismarck Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I am an IO! The emphasis on the italicized "am" makes me think you're just desperate to get your point across. Edited June 19, 2009 by Pacifism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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