brucemania Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 You have over half of the wars total; including double of the second most alliance in offensive wars (IRON). More wars than every other alliance in Oculus minus IRON combined. Some combination of Seng/Umb may be the driving force; but the war doesn't happen without NPO. Result of being the lynchpin. I dont buy that... i am more than sure the all the other AAs of Oculus are more than capable of going to war on thier own without NPO. Yes we have more wars maybe but our spread out formation of our AA has a wide variety of NS as well just our size along with the fact we do like to war maybe part of that as well dont you think? And without actually knowledge if this war was to expand or course then yes i am sure you would see more of the rest oF Oculus get involved defending us ... sort of the new word in the dictionary type thing called... hmm what is the PLANNING... you know for future scenerios? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I dont buy that... i am more than sure the all the other AAs of Oculus are more than capable of going to war on thier own without NPO. Yes we have more wars maybe but our spread out formation of our AA has a wide variety of NS as well just our size along with the fact we do like to war maybe part of that as well dont you think? And without actually knowledge if this war was to expand or course then yes i am sure you would see more of the rest oF Oculus get involved defending us ... sort of the new word in the dictionary type thing called... hmm what is the PLANNING... you know for future scenerios? If they could've (see: had the balls to) rolled without you they would have a while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dajobo Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 The question isn't "why would we want to burn for that?", the question is why did TPF think they would be treated any different than anyone previous? When NPO is done for you, expect a shallow grave. Human nature is to judge by your own standards. TPF are honest, loyal and decent so that's what they expected back.The fact NPO can't even see the issue is just as telling about their own character in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Why does NPO owe TPF loyalty from several years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 The fact NPO can't even see the issue is just as telling about their own character in my opinion. I think the correct answer to this is that NPO is playing dumb... Just like when they claim to not be 'calling the shots' in oculus... NPO are poor back seat victims... apparently people are supposed to believe that NPO had their arm twisted and were 'forced' by the almighty hand of oculus, to roll TPF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemania Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think the correct answer to this is that NPO is playing dumb... Just like when they claim to not be 'calling the shots' in oculus... NPO are poor back seat victims... apparently people are supposed to believe that NPO had their arm twisted and were 'forced' by the almighty hand of oculus, to roll TPF NPO are not claiming to be a victim here at all. Nor did anyone possibly twist anyones arm. That is just a assumption on your part. All that has been stated is Oculus is a collective of many AAs that have a voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 NPO are not claiming to be a victim here at all. Nor did anyone possibly twist anyones arm. That is just a assumption on your part. All that has been stated is Oculus is a collective of many AAs that have a voice. You said yourself this is not an NPO action but an Oculus one. The mere fact that you exclude NPO from the Oculus action implies you are being coerced into this war in order to facilitate other members of the bloc. Whether that be to show unity to the bloc or to give you an out in the political aftermath remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think the correct answer to this is that NPO is playing dumb...Just like when they claim to not be 'calling the shots' in oculus... NPO are poor back seat victims...apparently people are supposed to believe that NPO had their arm twisted and were 'forced' by the almighty hand of oculus, to roll TPFYou seem to think "this wasn't our idea" and "we begged not to do this" are the same concept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemania Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 You said yourself this is not an NPO action but an Oculus one. The mere fact that you exclude NPO from the Oculus action implies you are being coerced into this war in order to facilitate other members of the bloc. Whether that be to show unity to the bloc or to give you an out in the political aftermath remains to be seen. No one is tryihng to seperate nothing from anything. Just a mere fact that this is a bloc action made up of many and yes including NPO. I am sure there is a bar somewhere that has a 50s theme and you can sing twist and shout all ya want there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 "TPF's staunch loyalty to a fault" is a pretty weird phrase given mhawk was basically the only reason they didn't bail on NPO 6 years ago Once in a while you say something that makes a little sense, then you come out with something totally brainless like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarkin Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 You said yourself this is not an NPO action but an Oculus one. The mere fact that you exclude NPO from the Oculus action implies you are being coerced into this war in order to facilitate other members of the bloc. Whether that be to show unity to the bloc or to give you an out in the political aftermath remains to be seen. Finally, someone has discovered my secret viceroyship over Pacifica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Once in a while you say something that makes a little sense, then you come out with something totally brainless like this.Of course you'd think it's "brainless" when you wholly disagree. That's how things work around here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think the correct answer to this is that NPO is playing dumb... Just like when they claim to not be 'calling the shots' in oculus... NPO are poor back seat victims... apparently people are supposed to believe that NPO had their arm twisted and were 'forced' by the almighty hand of oculus, to roll TPF NPO doesn't play dumb. They treat you like you are dumb. Of course you'd think it's "brainless" when you wholly disagree. That's how things work around here! Oculus PoW? Really? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Who are you to judge my POW-iness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Finally, someone has discovered my secret viceroyship over Pacifica. Only Umbrella is allowed to secretly viceroy its allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Only Umbrella is allowed to secretly viceroy its allies.How do you think AB got Sarkin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmansfield68 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Once in a while you say something that makes a little sense, then you come out with something totally brainless like this. If you know the history (mhawk et.al.,) which apparently you don't - you'd probably deduce that there is nothing brainless about his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 If you know the history (mhawk et.al.,) which apparently you don't - you'd probably deduce that there is nothing brainless about his post. I was there and know what went down, unlike some folks around here who are commenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonator21 Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Existed?... or just simplely irrated all our allies one way or the other. People seem to forget this is not a NPO action but a Oculus action. You make a wonderful spokesmen for The Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 If you know the history (mhawk et.al.,) which apparently you don't - you'd probably deduce that there is nothing brainless about his post. Not sure if you're a victim of revisionist history or just trying to sound like you know what the fuck you're talking about but Gaetz is absolutely on point with his above post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rileyaddaff Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Not sure if you're a victim of revisionist history or just trying to sound like you know what the $%&@ you're talking about but Gaetz is absolutely on point with his above post. obviously they need more junka essays to set them on the right path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 And yet, here TPF stands, buttfurious that NPO dare attack them when they aren't allied. NPO have a more credible reason in attacking you than they do in attacking TPF. Think on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I dont buy that... i am more than sure the all the other AAs of Oculus are more than capable of going to war on thier own without NPO. Well, we know for a fact Sengoku isn't capable of going to war on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadesflames Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 On July 19, 2009, the New Pacific Order surrendered to the collective forces of Karma.[2] While the Phoenix Federation and Avalon remained in active conflicts with Karma alliances until August 4, labelled the Phoenix Federation Resistance Movement, most people consider NPO's surrender to be the end of the war. At least we know Karma v2 won't have TPF burning for no reason at the end of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 NPO have a more credible reason in attacking you than they do in attacking TPF. Think on it.I dunno, "pre-empt in alliance warfare" vs "aid thievery" seems like a close call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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