Jackie Moon Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 So we can expect to see reps given to MI6 over these spy attacks then, right? Sure thing, how much does a failed gather intel go for these days? I'll get my check book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I'm unaware of any unaddressed concerns mi6 has, so wouldn't agree with that categorization. You probably actually believe this, not surprising. Also GATO has already signed off on TIO being hit if they defend us+, so I wouldn't be shocked to see ODN let STA go as well. CnG is a MADP afterall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 You probably actually believe this, not surprising. Was your government not being upfront with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Was your government not being upfront with us? Wouldn't be the first time, but that was an old gov and I choose to believe these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Moon Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Wouldn't be the first time, but that was an old gov and I choose to believe these guys. Cue ancient history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Was your government not being upfront with us? I haven't seen the logs. I'm sure they brought any issues up, I just don't believe you all actually care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I haven't seen the logs. I'm sure they brought any issues up, I just don't believe you all actually care. Wow. Just wow. Sengoku has made a name for itself as a compassionate alliance that deeply feels for the plight of others. I'm offended that anyone would imply otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Confirming that Sengoku is Down With the Struggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Dear Letum, unless you are confirming I'm bang on the money, this is 100% speculation. Please don't treat my readers as idiots though. Having a war start without your agreement and being stuck with impossible commitments is being "caught with conflicting treaties". Pre-planning it for months isn't! You've planned wars Dajobo, and specifically wars that have put your allies in a position of conflicting treaties. So by your logic, either your allies are "traitors" for signing off on it beforehand, or you are a horrible ally for starting it over their protests and making them stuck with impossible commitments. As I said; everyone is interconnected, and an alliance only avoids treaty conflicts by them happening somewhere earlier in the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Dajobo's statements would carry more weight if the target of his speculation mattered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 I'll let you hug me all day Doch :wub: Such lovely people in DK. So willing to engage in the huggles!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Sure thing, how much does a failed gather intel go for these days? I'll get my check book. 1000 tech according to Doom Kingdom :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Such lovely people in DK. So willing to engage in the huggles!!! We be Doom Squad so Thank you...:D 1000 tech according to Doom Kingdom :popcorn: And a ass whooping for couple of months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 So we can expect to see reps given to MI6 over these spy attacks then, right? I'm unaware of any request for reps, and have discussed the issue with mi6. Might I suggest instead of speaking uninformed, you go and canvass votes for Grub for Senate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Have ODN already signed off on this and will play the "non-chaining" card to leave STA in the lurch? IRON and Valhalla both have done this in recent wars and proven it is repercussion free. I wouldn't say that Valhalla's maneuvering (make that Levi's...trust me, I had no part in it...I WANTED war) was without repercussions. Forget for the moment that it flushed what was left of a reputation for aggressive action built up over a period of years down the toilet, it caused serious divisions within the alliance, and was a major contributing factor in several key departures. I don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but I do have to disagree with this. Even if they havent been physically hit for it at this point, Valhalla, at least, I am sure have felt FA consequences for having been seen to act that way and I would suspect that this might have happened already if someone was not very worried about taking the same sort of hit here. Frankly I don't see why Mi6 is a target rather than Valhalla, save that miraculously Valhalla maintains enough treaty weight that it would be difficult to pull off, whereas Mi6 does not. Perhaps Mi6 would have maintained enough treaty weight to prevent it from becoming lunch for someone(s), but then they were counting on retaining that pre-war Valhalla treaty, which was my preference, but then my preference in FA matters didn't matter. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 In IRON's case, the reasons they got away with it had much more to do with their enemies not taking the initiative against IRON and instead antagonizing other spheres that were then pushed right into IRON's arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 1000 tech according to Doom Kingdom :popcorn: Probably a good example of Doom Kingdom taking action as opposed to a laissez-faire approach like MI6 seems to be taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 As I said; everyone is interconnected, and an alliance only avoids treaty conflicts by them happening somewhere earlier in the chain. Not everyone allies their enemies simply to maintain an upper tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 You are a few years late, Rebel. You already admitted to this before and you only have one opportunity to do it. As you have redeemed it, you better let someone else have their time in the sun. I don't remember that, but then again I don't remember much these days. I'll take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Sure thing, how much does a failed gather intel go for these days? I'll get my check book. Yeah, you guys probably wouldn't care if anyone was actively spying on your nations either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Yeah, you guys probably wouldn't care if anyone was actively spying on your nations either. I sense they would actually do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Tyrant Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I'm unaware of any unaddressed concerns mi6 has, so wouldn't agree with that categorization. You are unaware that Petro spied upon MI6 nations or unaware he acted like a chimp when questioned about it? Edited September 26, 2015 by Charles the Tyrant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 I sense they would actually do something about it. "I don't get why they wouldn't declare a losing war over intentional provocation", you can do better than this Franz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 "I don't get why they wouldn't declare a losing war over intentional provocation", you can do better than this Franz. "I don't get why I look at things in a binary way" - Mogar If MI6 took action, then they would be able to control the direction of a war and actually put Sengoku and their allies on the backfoot as it could be seen as acknowledging an aggressive action by Sengoku. It would only be a losing war because you (Mogar) wouldn't be committed to see it through and instead would shy away if it was up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 "I don't get why I look at things in a binary way" - Mogar If MI6 took action, then they would be able to control the direction of a war and actually put Sengoku and their allies on the backfoot as it could be seen as acknowledging an aggressive action by Sengoku. It would only be a losing war because you (Mogar) wouldn't be committed to see it through and instead would shy away if it was up to you. Couldn't you say the same thing about Sengoku spying on MI6 instead of declaring war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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