Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Couldn't you say the same thing about Sengoku spying on MI6 instead of declaring war? Sengoku did the act, MI6 could recognise it is a declaration of war (and thus an aggressive war) however they decided to let it be. Until MI6 acknowledge it as an act of war, it just opens up the possibility of further spy attempts to be done due to the perception of MI6 not caring too much about being spied upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxHouseArrestXx Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) I don't think reading these four pages is worth it. I bet there are a few vote for grub jokes ;) Edited September 26, 2015 by XxHouseArrestXx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keres Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 At least had Sengoku not spied on us with Petro, their MOFA, we wouldnt feel so,,, how can I put this... Offended I guess? whatever, Spying with your MOFA foregoing any kind of deniability is just stupid in a funny sort of way... if you're gonna spy, do it right, use some random non-gov member to claim that his finger slipped as he tried to collect taxes... not attempt to deny any kind of significance when your MOFA spies on us... Has this planet gone stupid in the couple years I was away? damn... whats next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 At least had Sengoku not spied on us with Petro, their MOFA, we wouldnt feel so,,, how can I put this... Offended I guess? whatever, Spying with your MOFA foregoing any kind of deniability is just stupid in a funny sort of way... if you're gonna spy, do it right, use some random non-gov member to claim that his finger slipped as he tried to collect taxes... not attempt to deny any kind of significance when your MOFA spies on us... Has this planet gone stupid in the couple years I was away? damn... whats next? Then they gave you a solid reason to defend yourselves, even to spy back however you didn't. It was clear what Sengoku was attempting to do and unfortunately you didn't follow up on a chance that would have gained you more respect. Also, it's Sengoku, they like to pay fast and free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Sengoku did the act, MI6 could recognise it is a declaration of war (and thus an aggressive war) however they decided to let it be. Until MI6 acknowledge it as an act of war, it just opens up the possibility of further spy attempts to be done due to the perception of MI6 not caring too much about being spied upon. I see it as a declaration of war and would have already planned to attack them, inevitable rolling be damned. I'm just a regular member and resident has-been though. I don't call the shots. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 I see it as a declaration of war and would have already planned to attack them, inevitable rolling be damned. I'm just a regular member and resident has-been though. I don't call the shots. ;) Exactly, people in this world have just gone soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Then they gave you a solid reason to defend yourselves, even to spy back however you didn't. It was clear what Sengoku was attempting to do and unfortunately you didn't follow up on a chance that would have gained you more respect. Also, it's Sengoku, they like to pay fast and free.I think that you are building Sengoku up to more than what it is. Sengoku isn't really the concern. MI6 understands that declaring on an AZTEC alliance, regardless of whatever they did- and it would enevitably open the door to a bloc entry (even without the whole oculus thing). So in that case, put yourselves in MI6s shoes, does an entry against the AZTEC bloc seem smart for a spy op? You already know the answer to this, Franz Edited September 26, 2015 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 I think that you are building Sengoku up to more than what it is. Sengoku isn't really the concern. MI6 understands that declaring on an AZTEC alliance, regardless of whatever they did- hell it could've been a botched raid (wouldn't have mattered) and it would enevitably open the door to a bloc entry (even without the whole oculus thing). So in that case, put yourselves in MI6s shoes, does an entry against the AZTEC bloc seem smart for a spy op? You already know the answer to this, Franz In regards to MI6, I would say it would have probably been the best course of action. It's either that or do a complete 180 degrees and dramatically alter their FA direction. I can't see either happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 I think that you are building Sengoku up to more than what it is. Sengoku isn't really the concern. MI6 understands that declaring on an AZTEC alliance, regardless of whatever they did- hell it could've been a botched raid (wouldn't have mattered) and it would enevitably open the door to a bloc entry (even without the whole oculus thing). So in that case, put yourselves in MI6s shoes, does an entry against the AZTEC bloc seem smart for a spy op? You already know the answer to this, Franz Why not? We're already target #1 (allegedly, right?), so we may as well speed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keres Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Then they gave you a solid reason to defend yourselves, even to spy back however you didn't. It was clear what Sengoku was attempting to do and unfortunately you didn't follow up on a chance that would have gained you more respect. Also, it's Sengoku, they like to pay fast and free. Punch them in the face if I could But yeah... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Why not? We're already target #1 (allegedly, right?), so we may as well speed it up. It would also put a dent in the confidence of Sengoku's allies as public support would generally be in favour of MI6 for standing up for themselves as opposed to kowtowing to an action which most other alliances wouldn't have tolerated especially considering the seniority of the individual doing the spying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 It would also put a dent in the confidence of Sengoku's allies as public support would generally be in favour of MI6 for standing up for themselves as opposed to kowtowing to an action which most other alliances wouldn't have tolerated especially considering the seniority of the individual doing the spying. Sure, and as a fringe benefit, tearing into Sengoku would be fun because they completely suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Sure, and as a fringe benefit, tearing into Sengoku would be fun because they completely suck. Plus you could always say that you completed your puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 In regards to MI6, I would say it would have probably been the best course of action. It's either that or do a complete 180 degrees and dramatically alter their FA direction. I can't see either happening. They have attempted any FA direction they could- hell, even atlas (that crap military aa) denied a treaty with them. AAs don't want to be on the 'losing side'... they'd rather hide behind 'other' AAs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 They have attempted any FA direction they could- hell, even atlas (that crap military aa) denied a treaty with them. AAs don't want to be on the 'losing side'... they'd rather hide behind 'other' AAs Then MI6 need to show that they are worth having a treaty with, even if it means jumping head-first into the firing line. After a beat-down, people will improve their impressions of the alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Plus you could always say that you completed your puzzle. See? I'm just not seeing the drawbacks here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Longworth Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 It'll happen as soon as NPO's 7th aid slot is up. It's going to be an exciting month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keres Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 They have attempted any FA direction they could- hell, even atlas (that crap military aa) denied a treaty with them. AAs don't want to be on the 'losing side'... they'd rather hide behind 'other' AAs Infra > Friends its generally the way these alliances go... im not gonna say its all about being scared but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 It would also put a dent in the confidence of Sengoku's allies as public support would generally be in favour of MI6 for standing up for themselves as opposed to kowtowing to an action which most other alliances wouldn't have tolerated especially considering the seniority of the individual doing the spying. Don't be ridiculous Franz, we aren't going to do anything as stupid as activating every one of their MDP's when we know they are coming for us anyway. The longer they wait means the larger our warchests are, and the more tech we have. Sengoku isn't worth the effort by themselves, the party is right around the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Sengoku did the act, MI6 could recognise it is a declaration of war (and thus an aggressive war) however they decided to let it be. Until MI6 acknowledge it as an act of war, it just opens up the possibility of further spy attempts to be done due to the perception of MI6 not caring too much about being spied upon. But... Oculus means there's no method of controlling the war, since yall would rather circle jerk than fight a war you might lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Don't be ridiculous Franz, we aren't going to do anything as stupid as activating every one of their MDP's when we know they are coming for us anyway. The longer they wait means the larger our warchests are, and the more tech we have. Sengoku isn't worth the effort by themselves, the party is right around the corner. However the problem with that analogy is the larger their warchests and tech that they have. Unless of course they just keep messing up your collections of course, which they could do if they really wanted to. I mean, what is MI6 really going to do about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keres Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) However the problem with that analogy is the larger their warchests and tech that they have. Unless of course they just keep messing up your collections of course, which they could do if they really wanted to. I mean, what is MI6 really going to do about it? Im happy with pointing and laughing a whole lot... for now anyway, im having fun... until the time comes someone grows a pair and I can add more to my collection of non-money related dongs... Edited September 26, 2015 by Keres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Im happy with pointing and laughing a whole lot... Personally, I'd be content with Sengoku attacking us as opposed to flirting. That would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Don't be ridiculous Franz, we aren't going to do anything as stupid as activating every one of their MDP's when we know they are coming for us anyway. The longer they wait means the larger our warchests are, and the more tech we have. Sengoku isn't worth the effort by themselves, the party is right around the corner. Theirs grow faster just based on the fact that they have more of it. From every aspect (including most war strats; the ability to down declare and try and set your own staggers/PM-ing up front/etc.) a declaration by MI6 is the best move. It also establishes that you aren't a punk!@#$%* and it'll probably make people respect you a bit; even if they do continue to dislike you. Edited September 26, 2015 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Theirs grow faster just based on the fact that they have more of it. From every aspect (including most war strats; the ability to down declare and try and set your own staggers/PM-ing up front/etc.) a declaration by MI6 is the best move. It also establishes that you aren't a punk!@#$%* and it'll probably make people respect you a bit; even if they do continue to dislike you. UnknownSmurf, great to see we are on the same page. We should probably get GeniusInc to do another joint-interview of both of us for The Apathy Report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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